Probably because Americans aren’t given access to any of the good cheap electric cars that everyone else is getting.
If you told them they could get one for like $15k I bet that number would change REAL fast.
But what if instead of 15k small sedan/hatch you could have a 50k (base) SUV that looks like a brick and needs twice the battery to go the same distance?
Thanks to Rivian, we already have that covered!
I guess I’m keeping my f350 running for another 27 years… give me something I can afford that meets my needs. I hate driving the truck without the trailer but I can’t afford a 50k suv that won’t even do the job of my truck. Besides I miss the way my last sedan handled and want another, but again I can’t justify 40k, but maybe 20k
edit - and just a few hours latter the fuel tank fell off and there isn’t enough unrusted metal to reattach it. I don’t have time for that much body work so it is gone. :(
I mean you can’t get a gas car for $15k either.
Right. EVs are CHEAPER than gas cars everywhere else. That’s why they are selling so well.
They’re not cheaper, they’re just heavily subsidized.
So?
So what?
So are regular cars… EV being subsidized just levels the playfield
What are “regular cars” and how are they subsidized?
Gasoline is subsidized.
No one is talking about gasoline. We’re talking about the price to purchase the vehicle.
Beater cars are about $2K-$7k round here
You can buy a used Nissan leaf 5 years old or newer for 4K.
I mean you can get a used beater for $1 but now you’re throwing a billion new variables into the mix that aren’t comparable.
You can in many other countries, lol. Try $3k for a gas car. That is closer to the global entry point.
You got a source for that? This is a brand new, road-legal car that meets modern safety standards?
New gas cars are 30k and up. Getting a new EV for 40 or a ev used for 25 is totally reasonable.
Now when everyone else on earth is getting them for half that.
Don’t let perfect be enemy of good etc. I tell everyone that a 2 car household needs one electric car. Most families don’t have two cars that need to go 300 miles in a day. Most don’t have one.
Some could get away with spending 3k for an old one that goes 60 miles but it doesn’t matter because they drive 20.Want to set down the crack pipe and point me towards these three thousand dollar EVs?
https://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/cto/d/nordland-2011-nissan-leaf-only-20k-miles/7905766000.html Here you go. Feel free to tell me sorry for being a no-good-nincompoop
Have fun getting that out of Port Townsend lol there’s a reason that’s cheap.
I said you could get an old one for 3k that goes 60 miles. You said that was crazy. I provided a random link to a 3k car that can go 60 miles. You snark back. Are you trolling or what?
Used EVs are cheap. Over $15k and you are doing something wrong.
Name any car on sale for $15K. Park it in your driveway of your $90,000 house.
It’s okay that you have no idea what vehicles are available outside the US, but maybe educate yourself instead of proving your ignorance next time?
China is dumping TEMU EVs all over Australia. They only look like actual cars.
I’m looking at getting a used one with a lot of miles for that much 😭 so yes.
I just want my next car to not be connected to the internet.
Give me an electric car with the features of a base model 2001 Toyota and I’m gold
Aux port or Bluetooth?
Aux
I have a car that the radio module isn’t working in, so it’s exactly that lol. All the features of a modern car but no internet connection.
The only annoying thing is that I have to physically go to the car to see what the state of the charge is.
Only two options: buy used or build your own.
The only reason I wouldn’t want an EV now is that they are insanely invasive spying smartphones on wheels. Not that conventional cars are much better. I hope my “next car” isn’t a car at all.
The only reason I wouldn’t want an EV now is that they are insanely invasive spying smartphones on wheels
Says the guy with an insanely invasive spying smartphone
I use GrapheneOS with no connected accounts, so no, that is not the guy saying it.
Fuck the 93%. I want a 6k electric car.
I think you can get a nice electric golf cart for that.
You could find one used, will probably not have much range though
It’s simple. The old guard of car manufacturers in Germany, USA, and Japan know how to build high profit cars that are differentiated. If they market electric cars, they could lose that advantage, because their electric cars don’t a lot differently than the Chinese ones. If they build great electric cars, they’ll lose that advantage because they’re behind the Chinese in r&d, and their manufacturing an R&D costs are much higher.
Then Trump comes along and eliminates all reason to build EVs for the USA market.
So they spend a lot of effort marketing conventional vehicles. Surprised? Not really.
Many Canadians and USAians also travel hundreds of km on road trips as part of their vacations, driving kids to college, family reunions, thanksgiving, etc., and the charging infrastructure isn’t there even if charge times come way down. Sure, it’s occasional but it’s an oversized consideration in the American mind.
Hank Green made an interesting point in this video.
Essentially, because it’s illegal for car manufacturers in the US to sell their own products, it’s left to franchises, who make a large portion of their income from ongoing service plans; oil changes and the like. EVs obviously have far fewer of those, so the folks in sales are more likely to push regular petrol models instead.
Until places that are losing customers install electric chargers to charge while you eat. Then they charge for the electricity for profit and become a must stop destination. Range anxiety is an issue, but it gets less so with each iteration and each charger install.
I have an EV in Europe and for my next car I’m seriously considering going back to ICE. I really like the car but the charging network is shit. Pretty much none if it accepts card payments, you have to give all your personal info to like 10 different operators to move around. The network looks fine on a map but when you’re actually trying to find a charger a lot of them are out of order. You can’t trust it so I always look for a backup but this really complicates planning trips and range anxiety is still a thing. If things don’t improve in the coming year I will just get a gasoline car and consider EV again some time in the future.
I’ve owned an EV for 5 years, and only now am I beginning to actually get over that range anxiety. I honestly like driving my EV, there is so little maintenance, and it has a range of about 300 km which is enough for me. But yeah, the charging stations are a huge hassle. There are so many of them that are marked as available on the map, and then when you get there they are either broken, occupied, or blocked by an ICE. Also, the apps and charging tags are driving me fucking nuts. I have so many different apps now, and a lot of them work like absolute shit. I also still run into weird issues where a cable will lock to my car, and then I have to call support or similar.
The things that make owning an EV nice, are things like free public parking in a lot of larger cities, and holy hell does it warm up quickly in the winter. I’m still probably going to buy an EV for my next car, I just hope it will be possible to buy a modern car without constant electronic nuisances like beeps, eye-tracking, subscription services, shitty touch screens, and all the other bullshit that they put in cars nowadays (Not just EV’s). Another reason I like my EV is the acceleration, I never have to worry when I overtake a slow vehicle.
warm up quickly in the winter
That uses lots of energy from the battery though, doesn’t it? Unless you program the thermostat while it’s plugged in.
It has a built in heat pump, so it doesn’t use much. It’s unnoticeable actually, although models without one probably will drain a lot.
Blame das idiots at VW. Same problem in Canada with the Electrify network. If governments seriously want EVs, they need to get their thumbs out and treat charge infrastructure like they treated handicapped parking.
Overnight, under threat of real fines, handicapped parking was everywhere, and maintained.
In Spain the government straight out said that they don’t care about the network, that private companies should solve it. And they did, in the most corporate way possible, absolutely enshittified, terrible for users, great for profit. I really believe some of the companies keep their chargers as broken as possible to promote ICE cars.
EU passed some common sense laws (mandatory card payment, open APIs with availability info) but so far they were just ignored. There’s also mandatory chargers every 50km on some highways but the law was passed years ago and the Spanish government is just now planning to build 3 charging stations as a trial. And that’s the leftist government we’re talking about. I can’t wait what will happen when the right wing party takes over in a year or two.
It EV are supposed to be a tool to make as dependent on shitty corpos like Google (you need Android phone to use chargers) I don’t want it. But there’s still chance EU’s regulation will take effect and it will be usable. We’ll see.
In Spain the government straight out said that they don’t care about the network, that private companies should solve it.
They can still legislate minimum number charging stations in parking lots and fine for lack of function. Just use find and replace on handicap parking laws.
Chargers at parking lots are very common and it’s not the problem. When you’re driving on a highway you don’t want to go to a parking in the center of the city to charger there. You will loose 30-60 minutes just to get in and out of the town. Chargers are needed at service stations that are next to the highway. In places like that you usually can’t put a fast charger just like that, you first need to adapt the grid. So the grid operator has to do some work first. So it should be planned and coordinated so that the charging network grows in a way that makes sense. As far as I know this wasn’t done.
care payments
Does your health insurance cover mobility too?
/s yes I know it’s “card” but took a while
I don’t love the dashboards being big tablets but if I have to replace my old dude I will probably want something electrically capable. Hopefully next place I live is walkable and I can continue using the car only for car camping and such.
I just want a horse with an electric motor. Stupid evil carmakers won’t make one.
Take the invasive piece of shit tech out and make it not a Tesla and I’m in.
Pedal, brake, steering, heater/a/c, seats, roof, windshields. That’s all we need beyond the electric drive train.
No charging stations around middle America and half the country believes in the anti environmentalism pushed by businesses and the GOP
Aren’t EVs bad in extreme weather areas, be it too hot or too cold? Unless those battery packs have hella insulation or cooling won’t they have longevity problems?
In the cold some kinds of batteries can be more impacted than others, but unless it’s extreme the resulting capacity is still enough mostly.
I want my next car to be an EREV. We don’t have good electric infrastructure near me. But an EREV would work great.
I live in a shitty apartment - where the hell am I supposed to charge one, even if I could afford one? I’d love a hybrid though. Unfortunately I’m disabled in America, aka below the poverty line. I can’t afford jack shit.
