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tbf, manifest destiny was originally an american idea
Calling dibs on someone else’s land is probably a much older idea than any country on the map today.
oh certainly, but justifying it with “because god said so” is very much american (tho not exclusively, and they probably weren’t the first)
The holy roman empire, and the crusades happened, so the idea is as european as it is american. Or arguably, more european. Either way, it definitely pre-dates america. And don’t get me wrong, fuck america all the way to hell and back. But humans have been attempting to commit genocide at least as long as written history has existed.
The Promised Land was originally God’s idea.
The Promised Land was originally God’s idea.
Strangely, it was the idea of every God that every religion has ever conceived of.
God was originally the idea of bossy humans, though.
I think it’s more likely that the idea of a god or gods originated with humans who consumed psychoactive plants, fungus, and/or ergot-infected grain. Hardly the bossy types.
Over time though, the idea caught on and got popular, until most people had heard of or generally believed in it. Then some tightwads came in and decided that people couldn’t get high anymore, so those folks had to take their drugs to secret caves and such.
Meanwhile, the tightwads appropriated the proto-religious ideas and codified them into stricter religions in order to pacify the masses who over generations had come to believe in such things as gods, and thus religions were converted into instruments of social control.
I think it’s more likely that the idea of a god or gods originated with humans who consumed psychoactive plants, fungus, and/or ergot-infected grain
The original nature religions and the like, sure.
Inherently authoritarian ones like Christianity and the other monotheistic ones, though? Definitely the invention of people who wanted to control other people.
There’s presumably wasn’t a lot of drugs that make you overly concerned with obedience and imposing your will on others available way back then.
That’s what I meant by proto-religion.
Also, christianity wasn’t authoritarian until it was subverted by Rome. For the first couple hundred years, they were rebels risking their lives
You’re right. The Dutch, and the Spanish, and the English, and the Romans were all totally content with what they had.
Not to defend the horrifying Spanish Empire, but it didn’t contain genocide of natives as a tenet. It enslaved people, spread diseases and wars, and murdered millions upon millions, but go to Peru and you’ll see that at least it didn’t reach the goal of extermination to the degree that happened in North America.
And the lord said…“Let there be might!”.
I would guess Mormonism might make claims like that.
They make way funnier claims like the garden of eden was in Missouri
Clearly, we just have to get a bunch of people to identify as Sumerian, and then they would have the right to the land.
Don’t tell anyone here that more than 80% of the population of Israel was born there. Definitely don’t tell people that removing people from where they were born because of their ethnicity is the definition of the term “ethnic cleansing”.
It really hurts people feelings when they realize they support ethnic cleansing when they’re trying to have some fun posting memes about hating Jews. But only Jews that live in a specific area… which they should not be allowed to live! And of course the Jews that support them that live elsewhere. Ah, but if you also that people that aren’t cool with
ethnic cleansinganti-colonialism, and say you don’t hate “the good ones” then you’re a cool person within theanti-semiticanti-zionist bubble.Remember, a good cult member is always on the attack and never on defense! So post your attacks below:
You… do realize how the nation of Israel got the land that they’re on, right?
You do realize what they’re currently doing to Palestinians in the West Bank who have lived on that land for generations… right?
Yeah and I’m aware of how the British got the land that I live on too.
But I didn’t do those things, I was born after those things happened. People don’t choose where they were born. What the hell is anyone supposed to do about what happened in a history book? I’m supposed to move to Europe (a place I’ve never been) because you believe people should only live in certain places based on ethnicity?
The whole blood and soil concept you’re laying down is the reason why Jews had to leave Europe and go live where they originated from.
Dude, chill out, I never said Israelis need to leave Israel. And I’m not laying down a blood and soil concept. Those are about as strawman as one can get.
You were on your soap box about how ethnic cleansings are bad (you’re right, they are bad), while conveniently ignoring the fact that the nation of Israel is currently engaging in the act of ethnic cleansing. That’s all I pointed out.
The original post is criticizing two power hungry dictators for wanting to annex land that doesn’t belong to them. If you don’t care about what happened in the history books, then what’s it matter who lived on the land 2000 years ago?
The only ones making a blood and soil argument here is the people saying “Well our ancestors lived here during the time of the roman empire.”
Can’t tell if this says: “Strawman” or “If I only had a brain…”
yes
Always attack, never defend! Congratulations, you’ve proven your loyalty to your cult.
