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onlooker ( onlooker@lemmy.ml )  to Technology@lemmy.ml · 9 months ago

AI PCs aren't selling, and Microsoft's PC partners are scrambling

www.zdnet.com

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AI PCs aren't selling, and Microsoft's PC partners are scrambling

www.zdnet.com

onlooker ( onlooker@lemmy.ml )  to Technology@lemmy.ml · 9 months ago
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Microsoft has gone all-in with its plans to turn the Windows PC into an AI-powered 'agentic OS.' But at least one PC maker says consumers aren't buying the Copilot hype.

Ghostarchive mirror: https://ghostarchive.org/archive/R9M9R

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  • zaphod ( zaphod@sopuli.xyz ) 
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    Are AI PCs the ones with insufficient RAM because the AI companies bought all the future production?

  • Korhaka ( Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ) 
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    Stop using pointless slop no one gives a shit about as a selling point?

  • cmnybo ( cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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    What is the average person even going to use an NPU for? There’s not a whole lot of useful things that can even be run on one.

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      The fuck even is an NPU? Is it like a NUC? I guess at least the N in NPU actually means something but I still hate this.

      • cmnybo ( cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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        It stands for Neural Processing Unit. It’s a processor for running AI. They multiply lots of small numbers really quickly.

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          I know what it stands for, it just seems kind of unnecessary and dumb. Maybe there were people saying the same things about GPUs back in the day, idk

      • wewbull ( wewbull@feddit.uk ) 
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        It’s a big matrix multiplier that is tailored for machine learning model evaluation (not training). Often they are low precision as that’s all you need for model evaluation (or “inference”).

        Think of it as a much less useful GPU because it won’t do graphics.

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    deleted by creator

    • belated_frog_pants ( belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
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      The dream of lonely boring tech douches

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    WTF even is a Microsoft SlopC? Something that has hardware to speed up their AI deleting important files and sending your private data to hackers? I don’t think we need that fast-tracked, Windows 11 already does it well enough.

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      They replace the right windows key with a copilot button.

      • Random Dent ( CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml ) 
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        We really need to stop letting Microsoft add shit to keyboards TBH.

        • lightnsfw ( lightnsfw@reddthat.com ) 
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          Agreed

  • Spykee ( spykee@lemmings.world ) 
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    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

  • belated_frog_pants ( belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
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  • JamieDub86 ( JamieDub86@piefed.social ) 
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    Ive seen the AI on my partners iphone. Wont be going near that shit.

    I had to correct myself from typing “iphobe” three times, and im wondering which the mistake was.

    • Engywook ( Engywuck@lemmy.zip ) 
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      iphobe

      “Being afraid of Apple”

      • django ( django@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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        Also known as: being a doctor.

    • razzazzika ( razzazzika@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Well that’s just the predictive text… mine thinks thr is the proper spelling of the cause it ‘learned’ from all my typos that I like that spelling, even going to far as to autocorrect the to thr

      • ButteryMonkey ( ButteryMonkey@piefed.social ) 
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        I’ve got and that corrects to annd now most of the time, except when I’m actively trying to write the type in which case it reverts to the actual spelling. Absolutely garbage autocorrect.

        I don’t even have the AI shit. I stopped updating before 18 dropped, even tho my phone is only a couple years old, so I would never have to deal with it.

      • JamieDub86 ( JamieDub86@piefed.social ) 
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        Its my fat thumbs.

    • Matt ( DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml ) 
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      This is also AI in some sense. Autosuggestion and auto completions are probability based algorithms, just like AI is.

      Also, this is captured on GrapheneOS.

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        In the broadest sense of the term ”AI” yes, but people don’t mean general ML or NN approaches when they say that, it’s all LLMs and diffusion models. I hate the term for how meaningless it is

      • JamieDub86 ( JamieDub86@piefed.social ) 
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        I kind of know. Dont use that either.

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    Always glad to hear some good news :)

  • pound_heap ( pound_heap@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    I think it’s just bad marketing. Microsoft, as they often are, just messed up their marketing strategy with mixing controversial and creepy stuff like Recall and actually useful things like local TTS and STT, translation, image recognition and manipulation stuff. All these ML functions offloaded to an NPU are good additions to an OS. Computers with NPU don’t have to be Copilot+ branded to be useful.

    • Ephera ( Ephera@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Hmm, they might’ve scrambled to add Recall et al, because those other features you named don’t particularly need to be offloaded. Except for maybe TTS, you’re not gonna run these in the background all the time. And if you need the occasional translation, it’s fine, if it takes a bit longer.

      At least, I would’ve absolutely seen headlines à la “Microslop wants you to buy an expensive new PC – to do things your current PC can perfectly fine”.

      • pound_heap ( pound_heap@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        You aren’t wrong that these functions don’t NEED NPU. But it helps with performance and offloading. What they also doing is opening APIs for software developers to use NPU and built-in models. For example, Adobe and Zoom use it for background filters. Again, with no CPU/GPU load.

        And for your final point - this is not anything new for a company to try selling you a product that you don’t necessarily need. Their job is to make it attractive enough for you to upgrade.

  • Ŝan • 𐑖ƨɤ ( Sxan@piefed.zip ) 
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    I just bought a laptop; my CPU options were an AMD AI 300, and a non-AI 7040. I chose þe non-AI version and saved $200.

    I really hope AMD gets it’s head out of þe AI trough and keeps designing normal CPUs. Non-AI was an option today, but I worry about next year.

    • utjebe ( utjebe@reddthat.com ) 
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      Same boat for me. In addition all those AI CPUs were requiring DDR5, sometimes DDR5X, soldered to the board. Same with the WiFi, only SSDs were replaceable.

  • Butterphinger ( Butterphinger@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Is it time to invest in Quantum grifts yet or is it still too early for the next train?

    • PabloSexcrowbar ( PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social ) 
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      Nah start now while they’re still fractions of a penny per share, so that when they finally become penny stocks you can get extra rich.

  • jokeyrhyme ( jokeyrhyme@lemmy.ml ) 
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    I couldn’t understand Microsoft’s motivation here at all, until this reminder (from the linked article):

    This development doesn’t bode well for Microsoft’s CEO, Satya Nadella, who saw the company miss the platform shift to mobile devices and tablets and desperately wants to avoid chalking up another failure in yet another momentous platform shift.

    it makes so much sense to me now

    emphasis on “desperately” for sure

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