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Man this is so overblown. If it was moved to the 28th, all these whiners wouldn’t even remember in a year or two. As long as I get a holiday in late January, I don’t care about the date. These people always say the sky will fall if we change anything (gay marriage, banning smoking in bars, etc) then we do it and nothing bad happens.
I reckon you’re right, I didn’t hear any complaining this year about the Triple J Top 100 being on a different date.
Respect for this approach.
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While I disagree with down voting, especially en masse or on racist grounds, I am also against public shaming of voting. It’s part of the reason voting is partly hidden.
Of course, you can only have a discussion with commenters, not lurkers.
Urgh, naming and shaming people for disagreeing with you? What a fkn sad thing to do, I’m ashamed to share the same opinion with someone as pathetic as you.
Aww boo hoo naming and shaming a bunch of racists, how will I ever sleep losing your respect.
My opinion is fuck you, your drama and the horse you rode in on.
Upvotes and downvotes are used to indicate what people should see, and I don’t think people should see your posts.
Yes, I only ever see you here to stir up drama and your flood of posts agitating against a day you would never celebrate anyway regardless of the date are no exception. You’re doing it again with this comment, post stuff that’s not attempting to stir up shit if you want upvotes.
Wow, tracing people online. :-) I hate racism, promoting one race over other is racism no mater what. All this jumping around First nation only creates more hate toward them, it is not helping at all. Want to help, help people in disadvantage no matter what race they are. If it will go predominately to aboriginals, fine, it means they need it more.
I hate racism, promoting one race over other is racism no mater what
Very true. Why, then, are you not opposed to our national celebratory holiday being moved away from a day seen as a day of mourning by some, because of what it represents for them and their culture?
It affects only a very small percentage of the population. For the majority, that date means nothing outside its official meaning. And no matter what day you pick, someone will be offended. Just move on; it does not matter in the grand scale of things. But I would agree that putting it on the day when the federation was formed would make more sense, but January 1st is already used.
Ah I see. Racism is ok then, when it “affects only a very small percentage of the population.”
Logic? Please explain how did you come to this conclusion?
It’s your logic, you explain it
I just fail to see how you come to this conclusion based on my post. Please explain.
Racism is ok then, when it “affects only a very small percentage of the population.”
“Anyone that doesn’t like my poster is racist”, and other butthurt assholery, today at 6.
We had a referendum about this, you lost.
We don’t want this identity politics bullshit, we reject it.
So, take this nonsense and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
We had a referendum about this
Not in my lifetime we sure as fuck didn’t.
They’re just saying what we all knew to be true at the time. No voters weren’t voting on the proposed changes to rhe Constitution.
I have an argument that gets those racist idiots to agree to moving the day.
Wouldn’t it be nicer to have a public holiday when the weather’s nicer instead of it being 40 odd degrees? We should move it to a part of the year where it’s still good to go out but it’s not boiling hot. Perfect getting blind drunk and passing out on the grass in the middle of the day weather.
Link to the QR code btw: https://www.clothingthegaps.com.au/pages/not-a-date-to-celebrate
Can you please add this to the post for visibility @Deceptichum@quokk.au?
Added.
I am not Australian and I don’t know the entire history or context, but one thing I can say is that not only can people change but nations can change, too. It’s possible to celebrate what a nation has become without celebrating what they’ve done.
And it’s also possible to change the date to one that does not mark a genocide.
- The 26th is the date the First Fleet landed in Sydney.
- Australia became a country on January 1st.
- The 26th became the official date for ‘Australia Day’ only in 1994.
Spin a wheel and pick a date. It doesn’t matter when it is, just as long as it’s not yet another ‘fuck you’ to the first nations.
Such a petty and easy to fix thing, but all the skungebags with flags sticking out of their utes seem to think this has some sort of cultural heritage to them. At least the US southerners have a generational gap between them and the loser flag.
I know im in the minority but I like the 3rd of march.
I’m with you. 3rd March is a good pick for both what it represents (throwing off the shackles of the British) and for the time of year (early Autumn is basically still summer), and I strongly support the idea of changing it to that date.
I think I would prefer 3rd September or 9th October, the date the Statute of Westminster was enacted (depending on whether you go by the date it actually passed in 1942, or the date it was retroactively applied to in 1939). They both come at a time of year where there’s a relative lack of public holidays. The 5 month period from late December to early May already have Christmas, Boxing Day, New Year’s, Good Friday, Easter Monday, ANZAC Day, and Labour Day. That’s 7. The entire rest of the year has just 2!
(Using Queensland dates here, but the trend is similar elsewhere, with a lot of state or local public holidays also being in that span. And, obviously, I’m discounting Australia Day from the 5-month period for the sake of the hypothetical. Otherwise it would be 8.)
Ideal would be an early November/late October holiday, to get that warm weather while still being reasonably removed from the Christmas–Labour Day period. The early October of the date the Statute of Westminster Adoption Act received royal assent is a little earlier than ideal, but has the added bonus of some synergy with ACT, NSW, and SA’s Labour Day, as well as Qld’s King’s Birthday, giving two long weekends in a row: sometimes (including this year) a 3-day week, usually two 4-day weeks in a row.
But any of these dates would make great alternatives and have my strong support.
It’s possible to celebrate what a nation has become without celebrating what they’ve done.
A nation’s actions are a direct result of what the nation is. And many of the shameful actions of Australia are ongoing.
I love this land, I love many, many people here, and I love many of the things we’ve created together. But I have no desire to celebrate this nation as it stands. I feel no more kinship with someone on the other side of the country to someone on the other side of the world - we are all fellow humans. I treat visitors and immigrants with the same respect I give local citizens. For the many positive parts of Australian culture, I spot as many negatives.
But even all that aside, if you want to celebrate the positive parts and ignore the negative… it’s embarrassing to plaster the United Kingdom flag everywhere. Green and gold > red, white and blue.
I am not Australian and I don’t know the entire history or context
And yet you decided to weigh in anyway. Amazing.
I made a general statement.
Oh yes of course, you were just saying some words. You freely admit not knowing the context but it didn’t occur to you to, idk, educate yourself first? Nah, more important to just say words because idk, freezed peaches or something.
This is why no one likes Seppos.
They have a point. Why play devil’s advocate on a subject you admit to knowing nothing about?
Because I know enough to make a general statement which holds true in any circumstance.
Hmm yes very smart. Add a useless platitude to a thread you have no idea about or stake in. No background reading or nuance here, just thought terminating cliches! I wonder why nobody is praising your amazing intellect.
You state that nuance and circumstance can make the statement false? Present it.
No, I don’t. It’s just meaningless. You might as well have posted “water is wet”.
Dude, you must understand that many things in life are subtle and depend heavily on context and history. There are many words, gestures, dates, etc. that has special meaning to certain groups of people. The meanings are not intrinsic - they could be changed or forgotten or whatever - but they are also quite real, and often powerful and important.
Your original statement was a bit of a nothingburger. Yeah, people / countries can change. whoop-di-do. Nothing wrong with saying it. Maybe some people will appreciate your thoughts on that. But it probably is not going to add much to a discussion that has everything to do with cultural context.
On the other hand, in your continued followups you are somehow trying to defend the ‘wisdom’ of your original post. These follow ups are kind of insulting. You apparently know nothing at all about this topic, and yet for some reason you are insisting that your views are relevant. Why are you doing that? I suggest that you let your idea stand on its own merit without you fighting a battle to try to defend it. We don’t need this conflict.
The discussion is mostly about the date, some suggest 3 December, 1 January, 3 March or 9 July.
The short answer is an important part of the Australian community considers the 26th to be a day of mourning and pain, so hardly a day we should celebrate.
Unlucky, I’ve had a nice celebration of our country today.
Australia was conquered by the British a long time ago. Nothing will ever change that, and the country is what it is today because of that event. No one alive today did the conquering and murdering. Everyone alive today is benefitting from it though, via not still living in caves and huts, having running water and electricity, living past the age of 30, etc.
No one is blaming the people alive, but Australia Day only became officially the 26th in 1994.
It is within many of our lifetimes and we can change the date to celebrate it on a day that doesn’t coincide with the worst tragedy in our nations history.
Also your racism is noted.
You say worst tragedy, I say the start of our country as it is today. Wars happen, countries get colonized - accept it and move on.
Oh no, not the meaningless racism cry……
Are you aware that indigenous Australians had possibly the highest standard of living in the world at the time? All the food, resources and medicines they could need, and all round very healthy. That was all destroyed when they were moved from their land, children stolen, even massacred, so the knowledge no longer exists. Today being born indigenous means a huge disadvantage because of the ongoing impacts. Does that seem right to you? Would you still say they’re benefiting from being occupied?
You’re joking, right? They didn’t live to 40 years old lol.
They were basically caveman equivalent in terms of advancement. They wouldn’t have 99.9% of what they have now if not for the British. Would they have even invented the wheel yet? Probably not, since they hadn’t in 60,000 years…….
Not a single person alive today would want to go back to living how the aboriginals did. If they did, they could just go and do it in the outback - nothings stopping them. They could go and have their average life expectancy of 30-35 years old, forage and hunt, and so on. Why don’t they?
Why don’t they return to traditional living? Because the knowledge is gone and the land has been colonised. I’m not saying it was an easy life but the life expectancy was actually much better before colonisation, much better than 40 and certainly better than Europe’s poor at the time.
You also can’t judge a culture for not inventing the wheel. It’s like saying Europeans are inferior because they hadn’t invented the boomerang or water tree. Europeans didn’t need those things just as Aboriginals didn’t need to build roads and haul cargo up and down them every day.
Whis AI made this? Australians don’t use month-day format, we use day-month format.
Ps, nothing against the statement being made here…
It’s not AI made and where are you even seeing a XX/XX/XX format on this poster?
“January 26 15” at the top. I mean, even translating that from American date format, it still doesn’t make sense unless the poster was originally made for Australia day 2015…
Again though, nothing against the statement being made, I am in the “Australia day isn’t a celebration” camp too. Just a shame the date format isn’t Australian date format. It detracts from the effectiveness of the statement by making the incorrect date format the focus, rather than the statement being made.
Thats “is” not “15”, a fair mistake to make the font does make it look like a 15
That says is not 15.
Yeah I know that now. 😊
It was a fair enough mistake tho, bad font choice.
That’s IS not 15
Fair enough, although “January 26” is still American date format, not Australian date format.
Anyway, not trying to cause an argument or anything, just pointing out some tips you might like to pass on to the graphic designer and marketing team. I’ll see myself out.
We have no standard for if we say 26 of Jan or Jan 26th. The only standard we have is for de/mm/yyyy format.
Actually we do have an official standard for both short and long date. It’s “day month year”, not “month day”. Short dates are d/m/yyyy, long dates are dd mmm yyyy. https://www.stylemanual.gov.au/style-manual-resources/quick-guides/quick-guide-dates-and-time#%3A~%3Atext=at+midday+tomorrow.-%2CDates%2C-Use+the+'day
That’s for “Australian Government content”, it’s not the standard for vernacular Australian English.
I think the real commenter thought “26 is” was the 15th month of 2026, which is completely reasonable…
USA vibes up in this thread.
