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The problem with your regular conspiracy theorist is that the conspiracies they usually believe in are born of ignorance, and can be utterly dismantled with relatively little research.
Why would a corrupt, tax-dodging billionaire who literally embezzeled from a children’s charity be willing to help anyone but himself?
How could there be a pedo-ring hosted in the basement of a random pizza restaurant with no basement?
From my experience at least, the conspiracies that turn out to be true are usually those where there is a concrete benefit to those involved, especially when it involves depravity.
Who stands to benefit from suppression of the Earth being flat, and how do they benefit?
Even to more “credible” conspiracies. If vaccines did cause Autism, and it was provable - why wouldn’t one of the big pharmaceuticals have ripped their competition to shreds by showing that and releasing their own that doesn’t? Do pharmaceutical giants not like kicking their competition out the market and securing more profit for themselves?
me believing in adrenochrome, an imaginary chemical known only to pedophile lizard people: ✅✅✅✅✅
me believing in CO2 and climate change known to everyone, their mom, and first discovered by billionaire execs: 😭🫵 😭🫵 😭🫵
Do pharmaceutical giants not like kicking their competition out the market and securing more profit for themselves?
Don’t car companies not like kicking their competition out the market and securing more profit for themselves by offering electric cars and solar cells in the 80ies?
Don’t car conpanies not like kicking their competition out the market and securing more profit for themselves by offering electric cars and solar cells in the 80ies?
I mean EVs wouldn’t have made a profit at that time. Battery tech has been getting better and better over the last century and change, and batteries have been getting cheaper - but it’s STILL more expensive to build an EV than an ICE car. It’s getting better by the year though. Also with ICE cars, you get to sell more parts through the dealership system lol
With EV, battery technology would have become better much earlier.
Kinda have to have OK batteries to make the EV first. Otherwise you’re selling them at a loss.
As @boonhet@sopuli.xyz said, it isn’t really the same scenario.
There were EVs as early as the 19th century (wikipedia I know, but I’m not doing a deep dive for a forum comment) and they were used for various applications.
So while there definitely was, and still is very much an anti-green economy conspiracy going on… that wasn’t the only factor supressing EVs from mass production and usage back then.
Battery chemistry was inefficient - so a battery big enough to compete with IC engines even back then would’ve needed to be HUGE, making it both too unwieldy and expensive to justify putting into a car.
Any battery you could actually fit into a reasonably sized car was still prohibitively expensive, and had nowhere near the mileage to compete with the day’s IC engines. So they just weren’t viable for the masses.
And as Boon said, if nobody can make a profit making EVs for consuners, they simply won’t make them for consumers.
It’s only with cheaper and more efficient battery chemistry, and a booming green economy thanks to consumer pressure, that they’re now starting to be able to make EVs that can compete with IC engines on both price and mileage - which is what consumers really care about.
Which is to say, if there truly was a competition destroying profit to be made, somebody would’ve done it… Which is why so many car companies were even researching EVs to begin with.
Who stands to benefit from suppression of the Earth being flat, and how do they benefit?
extend that to truly controversial and equally true topics of today; like north korea; and most will come to understand that they too have bought into conspiracy theories themselves.
I think by now they all think the same thing >v<
“Think” being applied rather generously for many of them.
Almost like deciding whether things are true based on vibes and what your social circle approves of does not work
All these conspiracy theories turning out to be true are starting to make me wonder about the moon landing. Maybe the world really is flat?
These “conspiracies” that are turning out to be true were not the ones conspiracy theorists really cared for. Those fuckers were following a secret agent larping grifter who posted on a CSAM website he ran with his dad. The theorists were pawns in the conspiracy, a conspiracy to turn pedophilia into a toothless tool, oppress minorities, and support those already in power.
The rich and political elites are depraved freaks who treat people as disposable and do fucked up things because they can get away with it. This is capitalism working as intended. This sort of evil is what classism and legalized corruption always lead to. Unless the conspiracy actually challenges this fundamental power structure, it only helps them.
Maybe the world really is flat?
Nah. Easy way to see this is to derive (or look up) the expressions for the gravitational potential due to a sphere and due to a uniform plane. Then, fit the actual gravitational potential using known weights and simple gear to the same nonlinearities found in the two derivations. The spherical expression should be a much closer match. My undergraduate college physics course actually had a unit where we fit the gravitational potential, so it’s extremely technically easy to do. In particular, the plane expression does not change with height. If you’re very careful, you can probably measure the difference between performing the experiment at sea level versus at high elevation. This difference is predicted in the spherical expression.
Also, if the Earth was flat, then straight lines would be the shortest trajectories (geodesic lines) along the Earth, and airliners would fly these trajectories, modulo war zones and other no-fly zones, to save money. In fact, airliners fly long haul flights in patterns that “look curved” on any flat map. These are the shortest paths on the sphere of the Earth. This is because topologically speaking, a flat plane surface has one global chart, whereas there is no global chart for the sphere, so any chart map will distort the true distances compared to the original sphere. (The neat thing about the theory of manifolds is that all these words have technical mathematical definitions that basically line up with their plain English usage.) This shows that, at least when it comes to flying airplanes, i.e. what ways you are allowed to traverse the sphere as a two-dimensional manifold, the Earth is topologically equivalent to a sphere.
the moon landing
Also nah.
This one is harder to demonstrate without a bit of money.
But also…if it never happened, why would the Soviet Union have let the
government win the Space Race? There was enough historical and scientific evidence at the time for all world powers to conclude that it must have happened.if it never happened, why would the Soviet Union have let the government win the Space Race?
If it never happened, wouldn’t the Soviet Union be the winner? Why disturb the propaganda of the US?
Yes, exactly. I’m trying to say the moon landing did happen.
You believe it but you can’t rely on the USSR for a disproof. The USSR has an advantage if the US population doesn’t push for the technological progress to be able to do spaceflight. Then there are no ICBMs and the USSR is more secure.
I think ICBM’s predate the moon landing, e.g. the Minuteman I. Like if
faked the moon landing, I’m not sure why it would make sense for the USSR not to have taken advantage of that, because it would have been an excellent opportunity to embarrass on the world stage.Also, that’s more of a “side quest”. IMO the fact that you can physically verify that we have been to the moon is more important to me personally. Better evidence still is the abundance of third-party evidence, since neither the USSR nor
is trustworthy IMO.I think ICBM’s predate the moon landing
If the moon landing is fake then the ICBMs can be fake, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings
That’s an interesting site.
If the moon landing is fake then the ICBMs can be fake, too.
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