• Tinidril ( Tinidril@midwest.social ) 
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    9 months ago

    the soviets had no equivalent

    Soviet reeducation camps and the million plus people that died in them disagree.

    I think both capitalist and communist propaganda is full of shit, but damn.

    • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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      9 months ago

      Are you referring to the soviet prisons in general as “re-education camps?” An enormous number of prison deaths occured during World War II, when famine was widespread due to the Nazis storming Ukraine, the USSR’s breadbasket. On the whole, soviet prisons and the justice system itself were more progressive than their peers, Mary Stevenson Callcott documented it quite well in Russian Justice.

      The soviet union, despite having a progressive legal system, was in a state of constant turmoil caused by pressures both external and internal. They couldn’t simply delete all previously existing ruling-class people and ideology, class struggle continues under socialism. Further, pressure from the imperialist west, invasion both in threat and in action, and intentional sabateurs meant that the prisons certainly weren’t empty. The soviet union never had a single year of normal, stable growth, free from intense opposition on the outside and counter-revolutionary forces on the inside.

      I’ll state it again, as I said in my other comment: the red scare existed because porkie was terrified of a system that stood to steal from under their feet the very foundation they set up for their total reign.

    • orc girly ( orc_princess@lemmy.ml ) 
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      9 months ago

      I encourage you to learn more about the topic, we’re all taught to hate communism and be doomers, by our families, schools, media and so on, but when you look at the facts communism is better for the vast majority of people, those who do all the work but receive less compensation for it. The surplus of our work is stolen by those who own stuff.

      • Tinidril ( Tinidril@midwest.social ) 
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        9 months ago

        You presume too much about my background. You are also missing the fact that every attempt at communism has somehow also resulted in a small group of elites stealing the surplus labor.

        • No? Socialism and capitalism have delivered demonstrably different results precisely because the social surplus within socialism was and is directed towards fulfilling the needs of the people, via large projects and social programs, which under capitalism are limited due to the capitalist class entitling itself to the vast majority of the surplus.

            • orc girly ( orc_princess@lemmy.ml ) 
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              9 months ago

              While you’re correct in that propaganda isn’t necessarily false, I said you’re repeating anticommunist propaganda, which is notorious for being a mix of exaggeration, bad faith interpretation and outright fabrication. We all learn that bs, unfortunately not all of us do the work to go over the claims and realize just how much it all rests on misrepresenting and misunderstanding history.

              • Tinidril ( Tinidril@midwest.social ) 
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                9 months ago

                All history is misrepresented. That’s one thing that definitely isn’t exclusive to capitalism. It’s funny how every argument I get from communism cheerleaders always comes down to some variation of “you are dumb”. It’s kinda pathetic.