Not sure if this is the best community to post in; please let me know if there’s a more appropriate one. AFAIK Aii@programming.dev is meant for news and articles only.
Most arguments people make against AI are in my opinion actually arguments against capitalism. Honestly, I agree with all of them, too. Ecological impact? A result of the extractive logic of capitalism. Stagnant wages, unemployment, and economic dismay for regular working people? Gains from AI being extracted by the wealthy elite. The fear shouldn’t be in the technology itself, but in the system that puts profit at all costs over people.
Data theft? Data should be a public good where authors are guaranteed a dignified life (decoupled from the sale of their labor).
Enshittification, AI overview being shoved down all our throats? Tactics used to maximize profits tricking us into believing AI products are useful.
Data theft? Data should be a public good where authors are guaranteed a dignified life (decoupled from the sale of their labor).
I’ve seen it said somewhere that, with the advent of AI, society has to embrace UBI or perish, and while that’s an exaggeration it does basically get the point across.
I don’t think that AI is as disruptive as the steam engine, or the automatic loom, or the tractor. Yes, some people will lose their jobs (plenty of people have already) but the amount of work that can be done which will benefit society is near infinite. And if it weren’t, then we could all just work 5% fewer hours to make space for 5% unemployment reduction. Unemployment only exists in our current system to threaten the employed with.
You might be right about the relative impact of AI alone, but there are like a dozen different problems threatening the job market all at once. Added up, I do think we are heading towards a future where we have to start rethinking how our society handles employment.
A world where robots do most of the hard work for us ought to be a utopia, but as you say, capitalism uses unemployment as a threat. If you can’t get a job, you starve and die. That has to change in a world where we’ll have far more people than jobs.
And I don’t think it’s as simple as just having us all work less hours - every technological advancement that was once said would lead to shorter working hours instead only ever led to those at the top pocketing the surplus labor.
Yes, I 100% agree with you. The ‘working less’ solution was just meant as a simple thought exercise to show that with even a relatively small change, we could eliminate this huge problem. Thus the fact that the system works in this way is not an accident.
I think you are right and yet so wrong.
My problems with ai aren’t unique and I am no special snowflake who see through the matrix while everyone else is distracted. I am just a dude. I really doubt that the points tell I will bring up, is anything boring as generic arguments against ai.
My problem with data theft is not based on the concern that artists has the rights on their work. I want them rewarded for your labor but in this case, it is not my primary issue. It is the hypocritical nature of company entirely based in IP law stealing IP protected work. I hate that the system is not ripping them into piece like Nintendo rips an online super smash tournament into pieces. It is so obviously “rules for thee, not for me”. You can claim that capitalism is causing that but I really don’t think capitalism requires this shit. Sure the rich and powerful are rich and powerful in capitalism because of capitalism, but special pledging for the elite existed in every system we have tried.
I hate ai because people invest in the dumbest applications for it. LLM are trash. Voice cloner??? Wtf. Image generation? Why?? But for medical applications in which we have comparably amazing clean data, let’s invest into that a little bit. But x billions into LLMs please.
I hate ai because the most brain dead application gets the most usage and people will tell you how it is bad but use it anyway. Then they obviously don’t have the computing power to run a decent local model and just pipe any personal or confidential information into the online service that tells you that the data will be used for training, so it can be leaking back out to other people.
I hate ai because it is literally everything bad about society (e.g. nonconsental nudes) and tech (e.g. data collectors) and their interaction.
I mean, I find the tech fascinating and probably would like it, except that I hate the way it was created, the way it is peddled, the things it is used for, the companies who use it, the way it “talks”, the impact it has had on society, the impact it has on the environment, the way it is monetised, and the companies who own it.
And all that makes it difficult to “just appreciate the tech”
There is no “AI”.
That deception is the main ingredient in the snake oil.
I don’t hate AI, in fact i think it could be very useful. But i can’t help but notice that it’s critics are mostly correct and it’s proponents are a bunch of fucking morons.
Its critics are also morons btw
I’m neutral-positive toward local AI, not so much toward Clawd-style agents impersonating humans on the web
I hate “A.I.” because it’s not A.I. it’s an if statement stapled to a dictionary.
Also because I can’t write the short name of Albert without people thinking I’m talking about A.I.
Al uses AI because Al is AI
I hate “AI” because it’s been built of the forced exploitation of untold millions of artists and creative laborers, without even so much as consent, let alone compensation…
forced exploitation of untold millions of artists and creative laborers, without even so much as consent, let alone compensation…
In this case, is it AI that you truly hate?
I think this comment said it best.
Sounds to me like you hate capitalism, not some ones and zeros
I do hate unregulated capitalism.
But that’s not the only problem, even people in the non-profit space, as well as the supposed “communists” of the CCP in China are using and abusing machine learning techniques for the purposes of surveillance, oppression and exploitation.
It’s not the technology’s fault, obviously. But at that point this becomes a bullshit “guns don’t kill people, people kill people” argument.
i was a vocal synth nerd before i was a fedi/foss nerd. we’ve been doing ai since before the ai bubble, and i think vocal synths are a good example of ethical ai.
vocal synths are still a creative tool where you compose the music, lyrics and expression yourself, but the ai engine makes the voice more realistic sounding. you purchase “voice banks” which are effectively training data for a single voice and this voice bank comes from a “voice provider” who is a paid singer that will record samples for the vocal synth engine. a lot of voice providers request to have the voice bank “characterized” to sound different from themselves, and the vocal synth company will do so. compare KAF to KAFU CEVIO.
this is a process based entirely on consent, something openai and the rest of them lack, they just send out an army of scrapers to take anything and everything they can get their hands on, consent be damned.
actually speaking of KAF, i was excited because KAFU was coming to synth v, since i don’t have CEVIO (and don’t speak japanese). but unfortunately, KAFU SV was cancelled because the synth v ai engine made her sound too much like herself, and most likely they couldn’t modify the voice bank to sound differently enough and they cancelled it. at least, that’s the prevailing theory.
why not both B)
see: previous discussion
please let me know if there’s a more appropriate one.
!fuck_ai@lemmy.world maybe
Nah those guys hate (gen)AI because it’s (gen)AI, or for other reasons that are ultimately intrinsic to the tech such as the intellectual property aspect.
I agree that it’s foolish to hate tech per se. I think lots of people wind up promoting the grift of “AI” through misguided opposition.
But that’s not everybody in that comm. People hate “AI” for a variety of reason.
As far as I am concerned I am going to do the opposite of anything Sam Altman says. He is the ultimate snake oil salesman. He sold this trash to Microsoft, which I guess these days is pretty on brand.
You’re a snake oil saleman
I used Claude to code something. The thing is, it happilly creates the code, which looks quite professionally, and is soooo positive about itself. Then you try to run it, which ofcourse doesn’t work. Next you feed it the error messages and it very very happilly fixes those bugs, all while being very fond of itself. After a few rounds of that, the code actually runs and does something.
Now I can get that it doesn’t work from the first try, ours won’t be 100% correct either, but the mistakes it makes tend to be because it mixes information of different versions of libraries.
And why is the damn thing so fond of itself? Everything it does it find “perfect”.
I hate AI because I want to be able to afford RAM and storage again
The trick is to start an online business using AI and earn enough money to offset the extra hardware cost caused by AI use.
