These days it seems like most things getting called “woke DEI crap” are totally in line with the norms of society, but someone wants to change that.
I never thought of it like that. Fuck, that’s depressing.
They’re trying hard to change it. Almost like they have a playbook of some kind…
I did Nazi that coming
Yeah, loopy religious people who want to take society back to the middle ages.
it applied to all SCI fi show both pre-STD(DISCOVERY) thats what really got thier panties in a wad, when kurtzman made all the women have lead roles.SG1 wasnt spared either, as recently Invincible was called woke, just because the female general in coalition took command of the ship (the planet of ragnarrs) to refreeze the beasts.
there was definitely a concerted effort around 2020(thats when woke became super prominent in comments of shows like star trek) around election time to illicit more voters to side with conservatives through propaganda.
Invincible was called woke, just because the female general in coalition took command of the ship
And don’t forget, Mark first GF is now black! The horror!
i was going to mentioned that, since they race swapped her. sandman was another example of race and gender swapping people, Death was suppose to be a goth white chick, and LUCIFER was gwendoline instead of a blond white guy. they alway attribute terrible writing to DEI/WOKENESS
It’s a silver lining to see Shatner using his platform for the greater good.
Yeah. I wish people like him, sulu, and stephen king would abandon it already though.
The new trek was cancelled because some people hated it and had outsized influence.
So thanks, those of us who liked it don’t get any more of what we liked because a few dicks had outsized influence.
I don’t get to enjoy something because you didn’t like it. Thanks.
You could have just not watched it, but instead you had to ruin it for me too.
Fuck you. We all need to stop watching these fuckwits who think they know more than us. Unsubscribe from these channels. Stop watching them. They’re ruining our ability to watch things.
e: I mean the snarky review channels and podcasts. Especially those that always hate everything. You know the ones. The hate influencers.
It’s hard to find creative media that lasts more than a few seasons now. Many good things are cancelled after 1 or 2 seasons. Junk media (celebrity or ‘live’ series) are renewed basically forever tho.
The show felt unfocused and confused. The characters, like the storylines, were kinda all over the place and didn’t really seem to know where they were going. Too much effort seemed to be put into the show’s set and setting, and not enough effort went into the things that went into the sets and settings. It had a lot of potential, but it all of it never really seemed to come together.
All new Trek series feel unfocused and confused in their first season. Watch the first season of TNG or DS9 and tell me it was tight. Every Trek is kind of a mess at first.
Well… yes, but not anywhere near as bad as this. This was like a bad GHB trip, crazy nightclub setting and all. For any new television show, there are at least a couple dozen foundational elements that set the overall direction of the show and where it’s going, but for this show, all of them were crazy haywire, pointing in a bunch of different directions none of them coordinated. For a normal TV show, when a few of them don’t really work out, they can be re-oriented or smooth out or whatever, but that is made easier because they’re all kind of heading in the same direction. With academy, none of them were ever heading in the same direction, none of them really knew what they wanted to be or what they were even about, or where they were going, so there’s no way to smooth them out or rework them, because any new version of them is still gonna be going in some random direction and wouldn’t know what they were going to be.
If I were the one who was in control of all of this, the first thing I would do, besides firing Alex Kitzman, would be to reboot the show entirely. To make sure that, from the start, everything was coordinated and aligned, and everything was all heading in the same direction, and everything knew what it was, everyone knew what they were or at least where they were headed, and what they were eventually going to be, and we were all on the same page. That everything made some sort of sense, or at least would eventually makes sense, and that we were all on a journey to the same destination. Because, if anything was extremely obvious about this show, it was that nobody had any sort of destination in mind.
Luck, I get what you’re trying to say. Star Trek is very famous for having terrible first seasons for their shows. But this one… This one was different. This first season be lied the fact that no one was thinking of the same thing. No one had any sort of central planning for where they were going. Everyone working on the show was thinking of something different, and there was never any possibility of it all coming together at the end, and we saw that because, at the end of the season, it really didn’t come together at all. At the end of the season, every character, every storyline, every different location, ended up somewhere completely on its own. And nothing really ended up, making any sense at all. And, for every other Star Trek show, during its first season, they were at least able to resolve it in one way or another. All the arcs came to a conclusion, all the storylines ended up in one place, and everything was resolved. But in this case? We were no better off than when we were in the beginning. Lost and confused.
They DESPERATELY needed more episodes. Like they had this whole War College thing (don’t get me started on the stupid name), and then suddenly it was just kind of gone.
We got ten episodes, 4 were dedicated to.Caleb/Nus/Metaplot.
Two were centered on SAM, one on Jay-Den, and like 1.5-2 on Tarima. Genesis and Darem basically shared 1.5 episodes.
OK, so with modern TV production, that’s never gonna happen. What they need to do is find some way to transition the style of storytelling to 10 episodes per season. I honestly don’t know how they’re gonna do that, but they need to figure it out. And Alex Kitzman certainly doesn’t know how to do it. So they need it first of all get rid of his ass. He sucks his whole production team sucks.
They also need to get rid of their visual effects team. I really am sick to death of this hyper realistic unreal presentation of this needle in your brain CGI graphics. I hate it so much.
I really think they need to take a break for a little while and figure out how to adapt the 90s storytelling style to contemporaneous production style. Kurt‘s been tried and failed, and they need to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to do it again. And if the price we have to pay is waiting a few years before we get more Star Trek, I’m willing to make the sacrifice.
This is the one thing I will never understand. If you don’t like something just ignore it. If you think you are in the position that your opinion matters in any way you can declare why you don’t like something once and then move on. All those grifters and their brainless drones consume stuff they don’t like willingly and regularly. People who are of sound mind don’t do something like this.
The new show was cancelled because not enough people watched it.
“Outsized influence” my ass.
Money talks. You think if the show hit the top ten in the streaming Nielsen stats that they’d cancel it because some people “didn’t like it”? Get real.
People are allowed to like something. People are allowed to dislike something. If enough people like it, the show gets enough viewers to continue. If not. It doesn’t.
People who don’t like it aren’t obligated to watch it just to prevent it from being cancelled for your sake.
i’m pretty sure it’s because they tried to make degrassi in space.
Sorry, what happened?
academy? kurtzman ruined every trek he showrunned, if they dint figure it out with STD, SNW, AND picard they arnt going to with academy. they are running out of Ideas for a trek show. making the show only 10-12episodes per season hurts it as well.
The gender episode was so ahead of its time. It introduced some ideas that I didn’t even know there were concepts for.
the gender ran across 4 series. DS9 had jadzia(other host) preferred women and shes a women still with those feelings, and another where a female dominant race from the gamma quadrant fled DS9 through the wormhomle, and a similar one on enterprise show(where the explosion disaster caused by the suliban), Genderless insectoid Xindi.
Nutrek through kurtzman isnt very good and not very subtle with exposing mysogyny/genderphobia .
“You said ‘class warfare’ twice.”
“He likes class warfare.”
Exactly. Star Trek takes place in utopia - and the creators’ version of utopia is one with equality, freedom, and respect for all. If someone’s version of utopia doesn’t align with this, I think that says a lot more about them than it does about how “woke” Star Trek is
i think what got thier panties in a wad was STD, because it had a certain demographic playing lead roles over men. then it became DOCTOR WHO, whittaker and then ncuti(but him mostly), why because a certain election was under way that year, while STD was in thier 1st/2nd season, and it annoyed the hell of cons with all the women in the lead roles and then they started attacking every trek video they see. Janeway wasnt SPARED TOO but that took years for them to use mental gymanstics.
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I’m of the unpopular Opinion that SNW was @ boring rehash of anything I could get from any other show that already exists, and Academy was something fresh. All these irate chickenshits would love SFA if it just had the serial numbers filed off, except that “its woke” because it acknowledges that people just fucking exist.
But hey, can’t jeopardize the popularity of a thing that’s someone else’s “property,” not even if that’s what it takes to live up to the actual legacy of the Original. Just leaving it to the community would actually let us make something beautiful, as we have done before, so that can’t be allowed.
I guess we’re just gonna get more Original Series fanfic that lands hollow for me, maybe a hunting-terrorists spy flick, and another mindless cash-grab movie whose screenplay will probably be mostly written by AI.
No more moral questions, no more interesting discussions of what an identity means, no more of what makes science fiction worthwhile as a genre - we have ships to explode - IN SPACE!!!1!!
Prodigy, a show written for literal children will be more interesting a topical exploration than a Larry Ellison property.
What a muddy comment. Took me two reads to try to figure out the argument therein, after which I stopped.
Lol “muddy” about sums it up
i dont think SNW was that good, the acting is too wooden, and some of the endings in seasons were like"is that it"? prodigy and lower decks were way better. With ellision in control of trek IP, fans that are usually “left” leaning, how are they going to justify watching and supporting someone like ellison.
A few years back, I was speaking to a roommate. I complained that the (then) new Star Trek had forced diversity. He immediately shut me down, “Star Trek has ALWAYS been like that”. He was a huge fan of Star Trek
Why would you even complain about that in the first place?
People tend to think that “forced diversity” is something being pushed from the top, but the people who own Hollywood are literally paying money to the right wing who limits diversity.
My personal belief is that there are simply a lot of homosexuals and trans people in the art world. Whether it be make up artists, actors or screenwriters, i think aaaaall of this is a lot more normal amongst creatives than it is among the regular population.
So obviously, its gonna show up more in movies and shows, than in real life. Because the people making the art knows these actual people.
People tend to forget when watching a movie, that just like when looking at a painting, they are in fact watching someone else art, and they are welcome to just not look at it, or find artists that more aligned with their bigoted views.
As a person of color I can tell you that white liberals limit diversity more than white conservatives.
Whatever you say, day-old account. Unless you have some examples to share?
something about wokeness, and dei hypockets trying to say. white liberals dont care as much as conservatives diversity
Citation needed.
There’s the money conservative and the scared conservative. Scared conservative is racist. Money conservative only sees the colour of money
Allowing for gradations for different levels of assholes, ofc
its a variant of rainbow capitalism, i called "diversity " capitalism the execs push the race and gender swapping because the audience is mostly left leaning so they think it gives them more views on thier films or show. when in fact the audience dont care about it and some are irked they did this on purpose while making a shitty show.
I mean I do actually like it and seek it out, too
yup its literally hollywood execs, doing rainbow/ diversity" capitalism , cons think its an agenda by hollywood which are traditionally right wing pushing it as we must include gays, womens, pocs as the forefront of movies and show to show society “they arnt racist”, they only care because most viewers are left leaning , right wingers dont watch anything but copaganda type shows. you can tell hollywood is still pretty racist since they barely represent asians other than stereotypes. shang chi wasnt groundbreaking for asians , maybe for SImu liu, its stereotyping because he barely had any roles after that.
Star Trek (TOS) never needed to BE about diversity, because it was set in a utopian future where racism, and sexism weren’t problems anymore. You had an entire multi-racial cast on the bridge of a starship so just from THAT you knew that racism wasn’t a problem in the future. There was no more war, poverty, disease or crime. Conflict only came from humanity’s meetings with alien races.
TOS Star Trek never needed to beat you over the head every 5 minutes with how gay someone was because that wasn’t a problem in the 23rd century. Nobody gave a shit.
Are you one of those people who believes Discovery had a coming out as nonbinary plot
What does that even mean?
some people believe that star trek discovery had a story arc about a character coming out as non-binary.
Except people weren’t complaining about forced diversity, which is also known as “representation”.
shat is part of the problem, outspoken anti-trans
He is.
Doesn’t mean we can’t take him out of context and use his words to advocate for more than just the things he thinks they advocate.
He has it right here. That he doesn’t fully know that is his problem.
I’m not defending him, but let’s be honest with ourselves here. He was born nearly a decade before World War II. It’s amazing that he’s this progressive, plus he actively supported African American rights. And if you don’t believe me, why not hear it from Nichelle Nichols herself. Credit where credit is due.
quelle irony
Good shit to him. He’s 100% right here.
From what I’ve heard, Shatner is normally pretty right-wing about issues. Maybe fiscally, but not socially. Maybe I’m misremembering, or conflating his character on Boston Legal.
I guess it shows people can be complex.
He was the commencement speaker at my college graduation and he talked about how society was destroying the planet. It was a real downer message but at least it wasnt maga talking points
and also, the guy is almost 100 years old now. Any person that old with progressive views and stances is very uncommon in my book. At least the ones from now, maybe it will change when it is our turn.
he seemed to have grown with age,
You gave us a glimmer of hope Captain o7
Startrek XXX… I had a different joke in mind but now I just want Startrek 10 the movie staring Vin Diesel 😎
Isn’t shatner maga scum?
Edit: apparently not. Who the hell was I thinking of?
