Viktor Orbán has conceded in a speech to supporters, telling them: “The result of the election is clear and painful.”
I assume by “painful” he means “delightful”.
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A great day for Europe. One of Putins most valuable assets in the EU has fallen. Also, I don’t think the Hungarian democracy would have survived another Orban term.
I just can’t help but wonder if this is some kind of ruse to replace the burned Orban with someone new and charismatic, he was one of Orbans after all
No need to be paranoid straight away. I will judge Magyar by his actions.
Yeah, I do feel kinda tinfoil hatty about it. Guess I’m just jaded, let’s see what they will do now that theyve won
His party became popular within two years. When Putin did it with his party there were enough people who pointed out that it was not organic.
There was a suspicion of that in Hungary as well, but after the last 2 years, most people highly doubt it.
orbans going to have a very bad meeting with PUTIN.
Thank you Vance for tipping the scale.
Right?
Are these right wing politicians living in their own bubble or am I? Why would anyone want to be associated with the US administration in general and Vance in particular at this time? Who looks at this and thinks “oh, the venerable vice president of the United States endorses this guy, surely I’ll give him my vote”?
There have been about 0 good news from the US in the last year. If I were a politician I’d distance myself from that trainwreck so hard
Canada went through this a year ago. Our Liberal government was sinking under controversies of their own making and the right-wing Conservatives were on track for a big win. Then the Americans started blathering on with their 51st state bullshit and completely wiped out the Conservative lead, and their bootlicking leader lost his own seat in the general election.
Of course, Milhouse was simply handed a free seat elsewhere in the country so that he can continue to be a smarmy piece of three-word-slogan shit. At least O’Toole knew when he was finished.
Milhouse is still changing Trump’s nappy, doing media tours with Joe Rogan. Pierre Poilievre represents hard working Americans while over 40 of his MPs are trying to cross the floor to Carney.
He is a parasite, why even thank him.
Hope things work out better moving forward for Hungary than they had been.
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Here’s to hoping for a shift in the Hungarian Overton Window such that the new guy will in a few years be outvoted from the left.
Define left. He ran on wealth taxes, no income taxes on minimal wage and reining in corporations. Not much further “left” of him, at least by policy right now as I could see.
His party is a member of the EPP. How do I define “left”? Anything to the left of the EPP would do for now.
I’m glad that Orban is out but it’s not like Hungary just elected Zohran Magyardani.
Magyardani heh.
His job is not to reform the EU, his job is to fix Hungary. For that, he needs to normalise relations with the EU, or the country is going bankrupt in months.
The party which would have been with the social democrats in the EPP has managed to erode workers rights and introduce austerity while their politicians were getting rich off of public funds.
I’ll take a renewables focused climate policy, less corporate welfare, and generally better social services funded by wealth taxes and reclaimed national wealth from the rich over saying the right things in Brussels.
At least to me, workers should matter more to the left than party colours or performative bullshit.
In all sincerity, I wish you and Hungary all the best.
he is the new left, thanks to normalization of extreme right
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It really is amazing that the Orbman was supported both by Trump and by Putin. This is a great win for all Europeans, but of course especially for the Hungarians. Let’s hope that Peter Hungarian will be able to live up to his expectations.
I hope so too, but even if he won’t at least we had the joy of a loss for Putin and Trump.
I’m honestly surprised that the fat man cust conceded. I was convinced there would be some type of shenanigangs or at least an attempt at crying about foul play or “outside interference” by the evil EU/Ukraine/Soros…
probably harder to rig the election, or call it rigged? because they might actually investigate it.
Indeed. I was surprised by that as well and would be curious to know the reason for it. I take it, that his grip of state power was not total enough to just ignore such a devastating election mandate against him. But he conceded already before even much of the votes were even counted. Even in functioning democracies we had for example Schröder who was trying to cling to power like a dictator but was trashed within days for doing so.
I can think of several reasons. Maybe in Orbans morphed reality he was indeed a man of the people and his almost total media domination convinced himself of his own lies. Seeing the election result maybe he was authentically shocked and hit by the reality check. More likely might be that Orban is retreating now without resistance to give the floor to his opponent, knowing that the situation of Hungary is challenging, he might plan to get back to power next elections, after possibly unpopular, necessary, reforms by Tisza. He might be playing the long game. Or maybe he just calls his losses collects the fortune he stole from the Hungarian people (and European citizens at large as well) and prepares his retirement in Russia with all that fortune.
Let’s hope for Vučić to fall next, now that he is isolated.
how could he even get in again? they threw him out because of corruption, didn’t he?
What? Are you talking about Dodik? Vučić is still in power.
Wasn’t Vučić kicked out but only for like one election cycle and after that was voted in again?
He was part of Milošević’s government in the 90s if that’s what you mean. Other than that, his party has won every parliamentary and presidential election since 2012.
Probably Fico is who i thinking of. He resigned after a lot of protest. Vučić in Serbia is also a good candidate to go away. It’s incredible how people in Hungary, Slovakia and Serbia think Russia and China are helping them while EU contributions and single contributions from all kind of different EU countries contribute so much more to their countries than Russia or China, even together those two don’t invest in those countries compared to EU.
Such great news! Hopefully a dawn of a dawn of a new era.
And a victory for proportional representation too. A small outsider party gets its full percentage representation. 2 party systems like the US and UK get bogged down with 2 bad main parties that just get worse. You can’t get past them no matter how bad they are. Real democracy is not like that. Don’t stand for half democracy.
I agree with your general vibe but it’s worth noting that this was semi-proportional.
Hungary uses Mixed-Member Majoritarian, so the constituency seats do not influence the proportional seats. Mixed-Member Proportional generally attempts to make the final seat count match the list vote as close as possible, whereas in MMM, it’s almost as if the constituency seats and list seats are for two separate-but-parallel elections.
To put this in perspective, Tisza (the winning party) got 53% of the list vote, but nearly 70% of the seats (which is even more significant because in Hungary, you need 67% of the seats in their unicameral parliament to amend the constitution). MMP would have not awarded such a large majority; they would have got about 106 seats instead of 138.
Again, big fan of proportional representation, and while Hungary’s system is technically better than what we have here in the UK (unless you’re Scottish, Welsh, Norther Irish, or a Londoner), it’s not really a good example of PR.
Sure. Interesting. My aim was to highlight the what was possible so people in FPTP countries can grasp why they need electoral change. And try to help make it possible there too.
Hooray. A legjobbakat kívánom magyar fivéreimnek és nővéreimnek
It really did take them long enough.
Glad it happened, but why were there so many stupid people keeping him in power?
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he needs his rubles elsewhere now. but that’s the nice thing with corrupt governments, as soon as people are not getting paid any more shit goes downhill.
