• wheezy ( wheezy@lemmy.ml ) 
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    You will never convince me that Israel is not literally just trying to follow every antisemitic stereotype on purpose.

    IDF soldier 1: “Hey, guys, you know what would be funny. Ha, what if we drank the blood of our victims babies? Ya, know, because that was an antisemitic lie the Nazis told about Jews. But, ya know, we do it ironically.”

    IDF soldier 2: “You mean like pretend we are doing it? Like when we take pictures in our victims lingerie. Like, ironically though. You guys aren’t actually taking their lingerie back with you. Are you?”

    IDF soldier 1: “…”

    IDF soldier 2: “…”

    IDF soldier 3: “So, when are we drinking baby blood?”

    • crapwittyname ( crapwittyname@feddit.uk ) 
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      In the 1948 Nakba the IDF poisoned wells in Palestine with typhoid, then cried antisemitism when they were accused of poisoning wells, due to the age old antisemitic trope. They literally did the thing that Jews throughout the ages have been falsely accused of and often died for, so that they could block any investigation. Words fail to describe the cynicality of that evil.

      Wikipedia: Operation Cast thy Bread

    • Okay, first off, that lie was from the czars not the nazis. The nazis just repeated it. Slandering the forebears of the real jews (weak diaspora jews are obviously all fake) is so fucking antisemitic. How dare you. How FUCKING DARE YOU.

      Edit: also, the jewish people have a sacred right to drink the blood of your children and saying otherwise is antisemitic.

          • pH3ra ( pH3ra@slrpnk.net ) 
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            No no, I get it, let’s just give credit to all the other useless bullshit that dilutes the argument and gets us nowhere.
            Giving an excuse to horrible actions because of ‘generational trauma’ or other ‘less odd things to say’ wastes everybody’s time and gives them another day of atrocities to commit.

            Edit: also, why am I arguing my thesis on a meme page? Maybe my parents are first cousins as well…

                • davetortoise ( davetortoise@reddthat.com ) 
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                  Look at your first comment. Would you say the same about any other ethnic/cultural group with low genetic diversity? Do you see why it comes across as eugenicist?

                  It’s right to be outraged at this settler for what he’s doing to people in their homes. But when people focus genes and ethnicities rather than the crimes of an individual, they dilute blame away from the individual and drag in people who had nothing to do with it.

          • pH3ra ( pH3ra@slrpnk.net ) 
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            a. Because the opposite is already happening (without the consent from one side)
            b. Because I believe the child of a Israeli woman has more chances to succeed than the child of a Palestinian woman

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          Are you referring to the jaw? Since you just linked the wikipedia article of inbreeding and that was the only visible sign I could pick up from that.

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            ‘Overall simian features’ and mouth gum excess.
            Also the fact that they’re filming a crime against humanity hints at cognitive retardation…

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              I didn’t find any sources for those claims, but I don’t want to waste your time. I just wish you sourced your claims better, which should be easy for someone with a degree. Unless they hand them to any simian these days (sorry I had to)

    • FatVegan ( FatVegan@leminal.space ) 
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      Where i live, there aren’t a whole lot of jews at all. Tgere is a hewish community that is quite big in the next city tho. They are pretty hardcore, with the whole outfit. I used to work for one guy there and it was so weird how all stereotypes fit. Him and his whole family and every friend i met were rude and cheap as fuck. Like it was uncomfortable for me to just be around them. I don’t need anyone telling me to not touch them because i’m “dirty” because i’m not jewish. Don’t tell me you don’t have any money, because you own like 12 buildings with some high as fuck rent prices and you never fix anything. Every dude in that family of like 15 has some sort or mental problem, they are super slow and generally weren’t allowed to decide things and they could hardly talk right. Most of them had some sort of deformity, where they couldn’t really walk and move all that well. I never met a lot of women, but they seemed to me more on tge “normal” side. Still rude and pretty weird overall.

    • Tollana1234567 ( Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ) 
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      there is alot of genetic diseases that are mostly associated with semetic jews, because of the inbreeding of specific group of jewish people. like some wierd ones lysosomal storage disorders, cruozon disease,etc

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    Hurt people hurt people. One day I hope we get there in our understanding that a lot of Jewish people have not fully healed from The Holocaust.

    What they are displaying is a persistent signal that they’re weak.

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      I don’t know why you’re getting downvoted. So much of Zionist paranoia is explainable (not excusable) as intergenerational trauma, as the long hand of Nazi cruelty reaching through the decades.

      Which also tells you something about what kind of future the Israelis have secured with the Gaza genocide… People growing up with that memory are just brutalized.

      • The D Quuuuuill ( Quill7513@slrpnk.net ) 
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        Lemmy has a tendency to treat any analysis of how something came to be as being sympathizing with villainy. the truth is the root of the modern zionist movement is the Odessa Pogroms conducted by the Russian empire against Russian and Ukrainian jews, mainly. the predominant reason they did this is that Jews in eastern Ukraine were organizing mutual aid and community defense structures under what they called The Bund.

        detour time: if you’re American, The Bund being a leftist jewish thing probably hits your ears wrong since in the United States that was a pro-german pro-nazi party whose only real political position was “we hate Jews.” German and Yiddish have many word cognates in common. German is an Italic language (infuriatingly) and Yiddish is a Slavic language. But Yiddish is a Slavic language the same way English is a Germanic language: they’re 3 languages that jumped another language in a back alley, beat it up, and then forced it to use their grammars. erasing a people’s language is part of distorting a people into who you want them to be. put a pin in that for later, but for now just know that the most recently someone worked to erase a language was in the 80s, boarding school teachers in the US forced their students to speak only in English or Esperanto. since i’m pretty sure i’m talking to mostly Europeans, i’ll briefly explain that in the US a boarding school is not an education facility for elites, it’s a torture facility where native american boys and queer young man go to have their personality erased until they exist in service of whiteness.

        in Western Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, and Poland two movements arose in response to the violence against Jews by the russian empire: Zionism and Doikayt. these are ultimately not new thought patterns in Jewish thought, but the 1880s incarnations of them were born then. Zionism is the old response to the Babylonian diaspora of ~800 BCE: we need a nation of our own where we can be safe and secure and we’ll do things differently. sure, every nation state that has ever existed has become an evil and wicked thing, but ours will be different because we run things. Doikayt is the old diasporadic response to the second temple society being a fascist nightmare when for many Jews, our existence is meant to stand in defiance to any oppressor.

        in places where authoritarianism was the norm, and Jews lived in fear, particularly east of the pale of civilization in Russia and Eastern Ukraine, Zionism became the “normal” jewish stance. Where Jews had more ability to exist within their communities Doikayt and Bundism became the preferred approach. what really broke things was WWI when the British empire through west asia into total chaos with the Sykes-Picot agreement. this action, as well as the chaos of the Russian civil war enabeled Zionists to begin setting up illegal kibbutzes, settlement of a specific form, in Palestine in the 1920s.

        this time period is ultimately the root of the nazi party’s word “Judeo-bolshevism.” today it seems like an impossibly stupid term, but you have to but yourself back into Eastern Germany in the 1920s and 30s. You’re living in a post apocalypse. a country you were just at war with is at a civil war. you are told that within that country, Jews are undermining monarchic power structures through sabotage so they can steal a new homeland. within your own country, the jews are a mix of anarcho-communists, religious-communists, and religious-anarchists. a silly little man with a bad moustache tells you that all jews are in league and they’re in league with the bolsheviks. it almost seems believable with the media environment.

        the challenge i have, is i see much of this playing out today. my great great great grandmother lived in a schtetl in Western Ukraine named Brezhnezhy. she moved to Chicago, had her hand chopped off by my great great grandfather’s KKK chapter, and then moved to North Dakota. for as twisted and mean as she became from her experiences, the one thing she always held firm on was that her place in the world was to raise strong children who defied oppressors wherever they saw them. her Jewish descendents hold this belief close to them and promote Doikayt. but still i find myself frequently alienated by people on lemmy who hold all Jews responsible for zionism, equate zionism to Judaism, or otherwise erase the majority of jewish thought to focus on hating people not for their ethics but for their ethnicity.

        i asked you earlier to put a pin in that when you erase a people you erase their language to break intergenerational continuity. i want you to think about this. the modern hebrew israelis speak doesn’t sound like the hebrew that was once spoken. hebrew was a dead language around 300 CE. yiddish became the defacto jewish language for the ashkenazi people as we fled late roman/early christian persecution. the places we settled in europe were the places we found tolerance. we adopted new forms of dress and new meals. now, israel is destroying Yiddish and saying that borscht isn’t a jewish food. they want to sever the ties to the friends we made and seek to remember. they want to erase the wisdom of 1500 years of jewish life. no nation state who ever subjigated us ever demanded this much forgetting before.

        Israel isn’t just anti-semitic in that semitic peoples are more that just Jews. they’re anti-jewish.

        • acargitz ( theacharnian@lemmy.ca ) OP
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          And let us never forget that the only reason Zionism won out was not because it prevailed ideologically, but because the fucking Nazis just straight up killed off most of the Bundists and terrorized most of the rest into silence.

          That also applies to non-Ashkenazi leftists by the way. The formidable Avraam Benaroya, a Sephardic labor leader giant from Salonica and one of the founders of the Greek socialist movement, was forced to become a grocer at some small Israeli town later in life, due to the complete defeat of the Greek left and its inability to overcome the nationalist frame.

          • The D Quuuuuill ( Quill7513@slrpnk.net ) 
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            thank you! i meant to weave that into this passover testimony and just got side tracked by how fucking long it already was. yes. doikayt is on the backfoot in the world’s understanding of judaism because of the nazis and nazi collaborators

              • The D Quuuuuill ( Quill7513@slrpnk.net ) 
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                no. part of passover is the Seder dinner which in my community was this past friday. someone is chosen to tell the story of Jewish defiance to oppression in their own language. as a non practicing Jew, my responsibility was to sit quietly and listen, and then to carry that story into the next year. this year, the emphasis was on how we are currently living in the re-emergence of the totalitarian hate we all seek to defy, and part of that is the story of the modern israel, and how it exists as an oppressor that claims itself the victim. especially because as we sat and ate, Israeli troops conducted war crimes in Lebanon.

    • The D Quuuuuill ( Quill7513@slrpnk.net ) 
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      and learn to know the difference between anti-zionism. most day to day life you’ll see people trying to pass off a notion that anti-zionism is anti-semitism from positions of power. but here lemmy it’s far too common for someone to push anti-semitism under the guise of anti-zionism.

      zionism is an ideology built on hate. you cannot counter it with hate. you can only counter hate with empathy. sometimes that empathy will take the form of supporting people countering violence with violence in desperation to survive. pacifism is not an activity. it is a social value. in order for there to be peace, there must be people who weild their access to violence to protect vulnerable people from those who would weild violence for their own petty and ephemeral pleasure.

      what’s more is that zionism is not a universally held jewish belief. the majority of the diaspora is against israel’s apartheid state. we don’t like it. it looks far too much like the apartheid states we lived in with the only difference being the aesthetic of the state. we find that shit offensive.

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    I’ve been imagining him as a demon. Imagine he was in a movie, playing a demon. Imagine the makeup the team would apply to his face. Can you picture it?