Framework announced the Framework 13 Pro including full Linux support right from the beginning.
Some quick information about the Device:
- will use Intel Core Ultra 300 (Panther-Lake)
- updated Battery Design with (up to) 20h Battery life
- custom designed Display Panel with Touch support (keeping the 3:2 aspect ratio)
- LPCAMM2 for upgradable/replacable RAM without compromising on Speed/Low Power of LPDDR5X
- milled Aluminium Unibody chassis
- Full Linux support right from the start (including Firmware update via LVFS, Fingerprint Reader, etc.)
- Haptic Touchpad
- and all the repairability features Framework is known for
You can watch their YouTube Video for a quick summary:
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnOpIQJnYWU
- Invidious: https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?__goaway_challenge=js-refresh&__goaway_id=5a21ef489cbc0e9e48ccded2c92f2b68&__goaway_referer=https%3A%2F%2Finv.nadeko.net%2F&v=GnOpIQJnYWU
I was looking for a new laptop to replace my old Lenovo Yoga 370 and initially disregarded the Framework 13 because of some downsides (low Battery Life, bad Camera, etc.) and was looking to go with one of the following devices:
- HP Elitebook X g1a
- the new Dell XPS 14
- Asus Expertbook PM5 G2
or also a MacBook pro. I am using Linux since more then 10 years and never touched MacOS at all. So I was not sure if MacOS would work for me. But this announcement made it easy: It will be a Framework 13 Pro with Intel X7 358H!
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They could put it on eBay. Win-win?
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Or donate to NetBSD foundation. NetBSD tends to keep old hardware alive.
Reduce
Reuse
Recycle
And in that order
Reduce…
Reuse…
ecyc e…
For the cultured
Ofc if you want to throw away your old laptop you should give it to me instead :3
Unironicaly though there should be a mass program where old PC parts and tech are donated from people who don’t want it to people who do (for example an old laptop that a retro collector might want or a broken laptop someone else might be willing to fix)
Agreed! Plus I buy almost all tech reburbished or used these days. Most of the time it’s a way better deal especially when running Linux. At worst sometimes the battery is bad so I only buy stuff where that is replaceable.
i envy you; every-single-attempt that i’ve made to purchase second hand has blown up in my face.
Yep, instead upgrade when you feel to and keep the old parts as replacement in case something break, repurpose it or give it to someone that will use it;
I’ve seen people using old framework parts for home servers too
Agreed. Don’t spend money you don’t have to just to fit in with losers on the internet.
Shouldn’t need too much convincing. I just spec’d one out for about $4k. Not too different that my Asus, buy three times as much. I guess that’s with 16GB more of RAM and a newer graphics card, but still.
This is really cool, I hope they end up taking off. I wish there was something similar to this in the EU. I’d be very interested in a laptop I can upgrade over time.
They are sold in Europe, no need to wait!
I appreciate the heads up, but I’m trying to buy from EU if I can.
Ah then your comment makes sense. In Europe the closest we have are the Linux laptops from Tuxedo, which I’ve heard are pretty repairable, but not really upgradeable.
Tuxedo is actually who I’m probably going to end up going with. Repairability is a must, upgrading I’m okay with being a “nice to have” for now. My fingers are crossed for something during the next upgrade cycle, though!
Tuxedo (and most of “European” and/or “Linux” brands like Slimbook, XMG/Schenker etc.) are rebranded Tongfang or Clevo laptops though. They are neither designed nor made in Europe.
Right, but if I spend money at an EU business, it doesn’t go away and might expand to design or make their own computers, or it might move the needle by showing a stronger interest in EU companies that allows for a company that does design parts in the EU to take that space.
I hope so. I’m still rooting for them
Starlabs are an alternative if Europe extends to the UK for you.
I propose a little cultural exchange. I’m sure Framework and Fairphone could stand to do a little cross pollination.
I think framework are worthy of support even though the company is American.
- Regardless of who you buy from… Manufacture including assembly is done in east Asia. That’s where most of your money is going.
- Framework are not tech giants. They’re a small company battling giants.
- The ethos of ownership, repair and upgrade needs supporting.
- They’ve been following through on their promises.
So yes, I’m not buying US goods as much as I can also. I make an exception for Framework. They’re the resistance in an occupied nation.
Super valid approach! I’m not out here casting judgement on where people choose to throw their money in a situation like this. I think there’s plenty of nuance and room for different values to end up with different results.
The laptops are made and assembled in Taiwan and send directly from there to the consumer. At least if you order from Europe.
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they still finance fascists btw
EDIT: You can safely ignore most of what I wrote. Rails World is the DHH Rails conference (I am not a rails person) that they sponsor.
I can’t figure out if this is true or not.They did sponsor Omarchy, and they do still list on their linux support page that they seed hardware to Omarchy, but on their official list of sponsorships (included in the spoiler/hidden block so as not to spam/monopolize the thread) they do not list Omarchy.
So I don’t know what the current situation is, but it does appear they’re distancing themselves from it a bit. They last posted on Bluesky about Omarchy 8 months ago (about when the scandals happened).
Actually: in writing this I realized that Hyprland is also problematic, or maybe they’re not anymore, but they are listed in their sponsorships. So I don’t actually know what that means.
https://frame.work/ca/en/blog/framework-sponsorships
Full List of Sponsorships, Mar 25, 2026
Organization/Event Type Sponsorship amount Los Altos Hacks IX Monetary + product sponsorship $500 Daydream Hackathon Monetary sponsorship $500 Aeroespacial Association COSMOS at the Rey Juan Carlos University (URJC) Monetary sponsorship 3x units Open Hardware Summit hosted by Open Source Hardware Association Monetary sponsorship $500 DebConf Monetary sponsorship €2,000 NixCon Product sponsorship 1x unit KDE Akademy Monetary sponsorship €2,000 Labscon 2025 Product sponsorship 3x units SemiTO-V (University Team) Monetary sponsorship €500 RISC-V International Product sponsorship 2x units Nerdearla Monetary sponsorship €800 Linux Fest Northwest Monetary sponsorship + event booth $500 Open Source Summit North America and Open Source Summit Europe hosted by Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship + event booth $20,000 COSCUP Monetary sponsorship + event booth $6,000 Texas Linux Fest - hosted by Texas Linux Festival (TXLF) Monetary sponsorship + event booth $2,500 Hackaday Supercon Monetary sponsorship + event booth $30,000 Rails World Monetary sponsorship + event booth €24,000 Hack Club Facilitated donation $87,000 Linux Foundation Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year Hyprland Monetary sponsorship €7,200/year LVFS Monetary sponsorship $10,000/year Arch Linux Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year Debian Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year CachyOS Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year Bazzite Monetary sponsorship $3,000/year NixOS Monetary sponsorship €2592/year FreeBSD Monetary sponsorship $5,000/year NetBSD Monetary sponsorship $2,500/year KDE Monetary sponsorship €10,000/year wether they still support omarchy or not is kinda irrelevant because rails world (which is in your list) is run by the same guy
Why might Framework want to sponsor Rails World? Everything else in that list makes sense to me, as they are software projects that can have a direct effect on a user’s experience witn Framework hardware. But Rails World is all about a web development framework, right? That is like, three degrees of separation from Framework hardware. Donating to Rails World sounds to me like just a roundabout way to keep donating to Omarchy without having to say “we are donating to Omarchy”.
I did not know that, updated my comment accordingly.
I’m not in the rails community, so this was news to me.
I’m out of the loop with this.
From the other reply I saw something about funding a guy who is behind omarchy. What has that guy done to be considered a fascist?
After some digging, is it the hyprland guy, and the drama surrounding it?
Hyprland isn’t really that drama laden these days thue got better moderation and the lead Dev is maybe less of a piece of work.
Omarchy is DHHs baby, DHH is a white supremacist
Why should I care about that?
You could insinuate that, with some bad will. But how is it with the big names in the market?
The entire premise is a cashgrab for morons that don’t know any better.
I guarantee you, most people with framework laptops have them collecting dust along with their raspberry pis.
This is quite an impressive launch from Framework. Even with the high RAM and storage prices, it is still cost competitive with an equivalent MacBook Pro (my yardstick for mid-high end laptops), but with a fully open design you can run Linux on without any virtual machines, and with (claimed) nearly equal battery life. I am somewhat disappointed though by that display, in my opinion touch is not as worthwhile compared to a display with local dimming (OLED/Mini LED).
Man I was really hoping for a haptic touchpad compatible with the current input cover… At least they kept the Pro input cover compatible with the regular chassis, although it’s a very pricey upgrade.
Definitely going to get the full width touchpad for my F16, I dont think my wife needs to upgrade her F13 just yet tho
Also tempted by the occulink kit, especially since I could use my current 7700S with it
Is there a proper Desk Solution for OcuLink target available on the market?
Everything that I saw is rather flimsy:
- No proper mounting for the GPU to keep it securely in place
- No enclosure to protect it from outside effects (cat putting its Paq into the Fan)
- Need to “trick” the ATX/SFX PSU into supplying power by jumpers
It better not have a HiDPI display… It’s not “fully Linux compatible” if they ship it with a buggy, non-compatible HiDPI display.
“Full Linux support” should mean I don’t have blurry fonts, oddly shaped windows, stuck using only certain DEs, stuck using only certain apps.
In the announcement they say the resolution (2880x1920) was chosen to be used at 2x scaling for that reason.
I dont fully get that? Its not a multiple of 1920x1080, so thats unclear to me.
Just put a lower resolution and good. No need to deal with buggy scaling implementations and lower battery life, for a difference you only see with your nose on the screen.
Then it could have been just a FullHD or 2k display as well? Yes.
So, no weird firmware issues with Framework, like Tuxedo had?
Framework is getting first-party support for Ubuntu (and thus Ubuntu-derived distros) and will be “ubuntu certified” so probably not.
Let’s hope that “Ubuntu certified” means that all the Hardware and its Firmware is propperly working. But to be 100% sure we will need to wait for the first units to ship and some reviews.
My 7040u is rock solid on Fedora. I’ve seen some pretty bad shit with the Ryzen AI series, but people tend to only post about issues.
Currently regretting an “upgrade” to the Ryzen AI series… although many of its most glaring issues (that weren’t issues on the 7040) appear to be fixed in Resolute Raccoon based on testing a daily release of it as a live boot.
This made me feel better about not understanding the benefits of attic halo and buying 7040
Interesting, I thought that the Ryzens were better than Intel’s offerings?
What were the issues?
The 7040 discussed here is the 1st gen Framework 16" offerings and also an AMD cpu. The newer AI300 series chips don’t seem to play as nice with the older linux kernel available in Ubuntu Noble Numbat 24.04.4 without enabling HWE, HardWare Enablement. Suspend fails on the newer 2nd gen out of the box although I think in my case tracked that to the newer WiFi rather than the mobo/cpu and appears to be solved on the new LTS, long term support, due for release tomorrow. Also been getting some mouse cursor ghosting that wasn’t seen with the 7040 not full lines but half a cursor left rendered on the screen until something mouses over it again and the touchpad stutters upon engagement and jumps which is possible a known Wayland issue but is dramatically more noticeable on the AI 300 than the 7040 once using the touchpad it is fine but initial use there is a slight but noticeable lag. I mean none of these other than suspend (if you don’t know about it and torch your machine in a bag) are breaking usage.
edit newer AI300 also doesn’t seem to kick over to the GPU as reliably but haven’t troubleshot that as intending to upgrade the software shortly. Also Framework doesn’t suggest installing that older version of Ubuntu on said hardware so it seems they are aware of it but those of us who prefer LTS versions as opposed to interim releases have had issues?
Overpriced garbage for people that don’t know any better.
Care to elaborate?
You’ll understand when you’re older.
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So you’re just a troll who doesn’t actually have an argument here. Noted.
Great answer
Did they say what the full chassis upgrade kit will cost? There is no price in their shop, only a selection for the keyboard language with a price beside it but I doubt that the full chassis kit only costs 200€.
this is the price only for the input/top cover: https://frame.work/de/de/products/laptop13pro-input-cover-kit?v=FRANKK00A7 If you want to also upgrade the Back Cover you will need an additional Kit: https://frame.work/de/de/products/laptop13pro-bottom-cover-kit?v=FRANKN000H
I’m talking about this kit: https://frame.work/de/de/products/framework-laptop-13-pro-chassis-kit-graphite?v=FRANKK00A1
Good question. Don’t know. Would need to ask the Framework Forums for some clarification.
What do they use for the fingerprint login, I have something working on my t480s but I think it’s python and not exactly fast to login… Maybe something in Rust or Framework is using some other libraries? Foss?
All the distros use fprintd, but that’s not related to Framework aside from the laptop using a sensor that fprintd supports.
Thank you for the reply. I will dig around there.
