Revolution is necessary, because the bourgeois state cannot be dismantled and a proletarian state put in place via peaceful means.
If they thought we could vote our way into socialism, they wouldn’t let us vote.
Definitely true!
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I think you’re probably right, but I do worry about any violence that would ensue . . .
Violence is an unfortunate necessity when pacifism ensures loss.
Blaming the Republican party is wrong. They’re evil, but it’s the rich continuously stealing more capital and destroying businesses that is the problem. If the South and rural areas had equal access to wealth and education, the identity politics bit wouldn’t work on them.
it’s the rich continuously stealing more capital and destroying businesses that is the problem
The rich are rich because they own the businesses. They own the means of production. The problem is capitalism; it’s private ownership of the means of production.
I don’t see the connection, personally. There’s no problem when wealth is probably managed and distributed. Plenty of societies do that with private ownership, and there’s no reason to believe that a communist society would do it better.
Then you’re entirely misunderstanding all of human history. Communism has been the source of the most effective poverty alleviation programs in the history of humanity.
Blaming the Republican party is wrong
not it isn’t, they have much to be blamed for. but there’s plenty of blame to go to other groups, too.
If the South and rural areas had equal access to wealth and education
If you think the North and urban areas do have equal access then you need to take another look. The oligarchs are quite fond of living in metropolitan areas and segregating education between public and private schools.
I don’t really, Dems are pretty useless and bought by the rich as well. Which is why the two party system can’t work to solve these issues effectively. I don’t blame Trump either, he is more a symptom, than the problem
the uniparty is the problem I agree
France’s two party system was overturned electorally within the past 10 years, the UK’s is currently in the process, but maybe the same thing can’t happen in the USA
I agree that it’s the rich that are the root of the problem, but also I don’t understand what the Republican party is (since the great depression) if not a roundabout way to harness fear of downward social mobility to vote in favor of the rich.
And when I say “I don’t understand”, I mean I really don’t understand, because I also recognize that the rich pulled the same shit back in the civil war on the uneducated southern Democrats. The way I see it, today we have “Temporarily Embarrassed Billionaires” fighting for the rich in case they ever get rich, but back in the 1800s they had “Temporarily Embarrassed Slave Owners” who were, again, fighting for the rich in case they ever got rich.
I guess I’m supposed to conclude that the “liberalism” of that time was just misguided because it was attempting to justify abridging others’ individual freedoms as an individual freedom. And then maybe the “republic” of Republicanism was seen as the elite telling the uneducated, “the masses are too dumb to be trusted with a direct democracy, we need to elect an educated intermediary to represent us”. If so, that seems like…not even close to what the Republican party stands for today; Trump was elected on a Populist platform, the opposite of a Republic.
tl;dr I get that despite the corruption in the DNC, liberalism is a valuable philosophy worth refining and progressing toward. But I don’t know what the Republican party still has that’s worth keeping.
“I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land can never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I now think, vainly flattered myself that without very much bloodshed, it might be done.”
- John Brown
I am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I know think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.
- John Brown
Never forget- John Brown is the first American hung for treason. The Confederate leaders got minimal incarceration (if any), pardoned, or just walked back into society like nothing happened. Then they built statutes, named schools, and carved a mountainside with their images. Our only consolation is that Stonewall got shot by his own troops and died in agony a few days later after having his arm sawn off.
John Brown
Perfectly normal reaction to slavery. The sickest among us are well adjusted to this unjust world. Like a gambling addict who always wins. Until they dont…
There won’t be real reforms from Democrats because they’re complicit and invested in the system staying exactly as it is. Just “nicer.”
Exactly. The current system of government isn’t democracy, it’s competitive authoritarianism.
Yes. We need to work to create a democracy.
Is reforms from Democrats enough?
“They’ve got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side, but no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen”
Huey Long, campaign speech for the re-election of Senator Hattie Caraway (D-AR), 1932
Am I the only one that believe the US has to go through some sort of painful transition/civil war/revolution to fix it?
No, you aren’t. I’m sorry you have to go through this hard way
Sorry if my english is bad
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If the petrodollar fails that’s exactly what’s going to happen. The rest of the world won’t miss the opportunity to hamstring the US during their moment of weakness and ensure they turn into an insular, regional isolationist power. It’ll be well deserved too…
when*
Anything else on your wish list? Just curious.
Oh, sweet summer child. The Democrats don’t even have an interest in reforming the system, which is why nothing changes even when they have a majority in congress. Reformism is dead. Only a revolution can save the working class from the stranglehold of capital.
Now, is a revolution in the US forthcoming? Unless conditions change dramatically, I would say not. But we have entered the weeks where decades happen and left the decades where weeks happen. If you want to be prepared, organize and read theory; having a reality-based perspective will help you regardless of where we’re headed.
If revolution happens right now, it’s going to be oops! All reactionaries.
Not today, not next year. I’m uncertain about the mid-to-long range projection, like 5-10 years or beyond. I think either people will wake up and revolution will be a real possibility as our living conditions deteriorate, or we’ll be completely enclosed by the panopticon and the Jakarta method will come home. It all boils down to socialism or barbarism, at the end of the day.
or we’ll be completely enclosed by the panopticon and the Jakarta method will come home.
Heaven forbid!
Nothing will change until we group together and stop exploitation. This includes how America has propagandize that all violence is equal. Nothing is going to change unless some bricks go through some windows and I think we are past even that. Not a single person in power is on our side.
If reforms from democrats was enough, we wouldn’t have Trump right now.
The founding myth of your nation is violence. I think it’s like asking if there will be snow in February (I’m Canadian btw)
What’s the founding myth of Canada if not Eurocentric settler colonialism intended to displace and exterminate the indigenous peoples of the land they were invading?
Oh hi Freagle! And yeah you’re exactly right!
For the most part, I think, yes. However, there was a compromise between the English and the French living there, IIRC, instead of a war.
A distinction without a difference
if there will be snow in February
Climate change might do this phrase in one day.
No, plenty of us believe it. I didn’t recently purchase 10+ different guns and a ton of ammo because I think things will work out.
Unfortunately, more people think diplomacy and peaceful protest and waiting until the next time to vote will be enough.
It’s fucking dumb.
If my plan to leave the US permanently fails, I’m prepared for literal civil war.
It’s a class war, now combined with AI sucking up the most basic of living resources, from us to the billionaires’ latest pet project.
Everything else is a distraction. Remember, up to 50% (depending on what study you read) of social media is bots.
The US needs to be dismantled. There’s no such thing as fixing a settler colonial state. Everything about it is very young and paper thin, from its philosophies to its narratives to its borders to its laws to its “culture” to its religions. None of it will withstand the slow and inexorable resistance of the world’s people.
As things stand, unfortunately, the far-right is significantly better armed and better prepared for a breakdown in government.
While I would prefer to peacefully reform the system, it’s increasingly clear that there’s validity to the saying, “If you want peace, prepare for war.” The fact that the right is better positioned for a breakdown in order allows them to push further and further without fear. Civil war or revolution isn’t going to be something the left chooses, rather, if current trends continue (and it seems like they will) we may end up in a situation where it’s forced upon us and we are left but no choice to defend ourselves.
It’s not necessarily an all-or-nothing deal. There are methods of fighting back that are more effective than relying on the Democrats but don’t constitute full-on revolution, such as strikes. While strikes are non-violent, history has shown that they have potential to become violent, for example, if a boss hires mercenaries to force people back to work at gunpoint.
Likewise, if masked gunmen started showing up to people’s workplaces, demanding some of the workers to be handed over to be taken as hostages, workers need to be prepared to deal with that emergency.
Practically speaking, even if you wanted a revolution, there’s now way that would even be viable while practical steps for community defense have not been made. I’m not sure it’s rhetorically necessary to go further than that, particularly on a public forum.
