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alessandro ( alessandro@lemmy.ca )  to PC Gaming@lemmy.caEnglish · 4 months ago

"Gamers don't want it": Palworld lead says Pocketpair doesn't touch AI because players hate it and artists "like doing stuff themselves"

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"Gamers don't want it": Palworld lead says Pocketpair doesn't touch AI because players hate it and artists "like doing stuff themselves"

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alessandro ( alessandro@lemmy.ca )  to PC Gaming@lemmy.caEnglish · 4 months ago
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"If the gamers don't want it, I guess that's it, right?"
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  • yetAnotherUser ( yetAnotherUser@lemmy.ca ) 
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    That’s a good business model. “If our customers don’t like it, our employees don’t like it, and we can do business without it, why should we use it?”

    • chaos ( chaos@beehaw.org ) 
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      Careful, when the AIs get so good that you can ask them anything and they perfectly understand what you want and produce great results, you’re going to get left behind because… you won’t know how to use the… incredibly easy tools… hang on…

      • Kindness is Punk ( KindnessIsPunk@lemmy.ca ) 
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        Listen, as a 6-year prompt engineer I know exactly how to manipulate the AI to give me… well you know not great results… yet but it will be one day and then I’ll know how to say the archaic words cuz I will have already practiced, see it makes sense!

        • Frenchgeek ( Frenchgeek@lemmy.ml ) 
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          So with the proper incantation your spell prompt will finally work? Remember to grow a beard and ponder the orb first.

    • laz ( laz@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Beacuse minimize the effing costs or you fired

      • marxismtomorrow ( marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today ) 
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        I’m not sure AI is cheaper now that AI companies are no longer artificially suppressing prices. Especially compared to the PR companies you need to pay if you use AI.

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          • marxismtomorrow ( marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today ) 
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            Except they aren’t consistent or reliable, and can’t run 24x7 since nearly all agents need to be reset after a set number of tokens.

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    • yyprum ( yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      And the stakeholders? Is no one going to think of the stakeholders?!

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    I remember there was a rumor going around Twitter when Palworld first launched that Pocketpair had used AI for some of their character designs, and there was some backlash, but it turned out to be false. Feeling some of that heat, even if it was unwarranted, probably also helped set their opinions on using AI for that kind of stuff.

    If gamers don’t want it and your own staff doesn’t want to use it, no point in wasting money trying to force it.

    • jaybone ( jaybone@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Now try and convince the entire tech industry of that last sentence.

      • Zos_Kia ( Zos_Kia@jlai.lu ) 
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        I think the studio is taking the right lesson, but it doesn’t necessarily apply to the tech industry.

        Software is good when it is average (standard, unsurprising), while entertainment is good when it is out of distribution. By definition, you can’t statistically sample good art and get good art at the output.

      • Tyrq ( Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        the powers that be also want a plausible deniability machine, so they’ll keep propping it up to murder innocent brown people. You know, because reasons.

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      I remember there was a rumor going around Twitter when Palworld first launched that Pocketpair had used AI for some of their character designs, and there was some backlash, but it turned out to be false.

      When was that officially confirmed? I’ve been waiting for an answer to this question for years. I had heard they had denied using AI for character designs, but I wasn’t sure if that was true or not.

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    I bought Palworld just to spite Nintendo and thus far i haven’t regretted buying it.

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    Who could have possibly guessed that artists like doing art!

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    AI is the worst kind of bullshit fantasy because it convinces people to dehumanize themselves and others with a condescending sense of inevitability for a future that the technology does not provide any hard evidence for being inevitable.

    Human artists are supremely valuable, fuck this “rational” economic system that pretends otherwise.

    • Hathaway ( Hathaway@lemmy.zip ) 
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      … but isn’t ai inevitable?

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        YouTube showing me the account that shared this YouTube link makes me feel so creeped out.

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          Hm. Don’t love that.

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            You have to turn that off in settings or remove the tracker part of the link (everything after the ?)

            • Hathaway ( Hathaway@lemmy.zip ) 
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              Thanks. I turned it off it settings now too, I don’t like that that was randomly introduced and not an opt in situation, but, I expect nothing less from Google.

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        I love Man Carrying Thing and this might be one of his most important performances yet!

        It is rare for an actor’s work to completely capture my attention from beginning to end in a performance without my tastes becoming bored or the emotional heart strings the actors crudely pluck in me becoming tired and drawn out, but Man Carrying Thing had me paying attention for virtually his entire performance on this one!

        • apotheotic (she/her) ( apotheotic@beehaw.org ) 
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          It is truly his best work since Plankton Farts and Dies

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    This exclusionary, contemporary AI definition really grinds my gears.

    • Alcoholicorn ( Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ) 
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      What do we call the thing that governs NPC behavior now?

      • Elvith Ma'for ( elvith@feddit.org ) 
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        if (...){
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      • BucketBong ( BucketBong@p.hobo.social ) 
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        Voodoo tech

      • Ariselas ( Ariselas@piefed.ca ) 
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        fuzzy logic

      • Gladaed ( Gladaed@feddit.org ) 
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        > leftist brain

        Or

        > Right wing brain

        • Alcoholicorn ( Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz ) 
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          Centrist libs just have the biggest brains. So massive they can have so many diverse thoughts drifting around, never to collide.

          • Gladaed ( Gladaed@feddit.org ) 
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            I didn’t feel like typing that out and tried to be non partisan.

            Guess I should have /s’ed

    • Tollana1234567 ( Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ) 
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      plus AI looks very strange in a picture or a video.

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    I really hope they’re being sincere about these statements.

    • Truscape ( Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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      They kind of already went through the ringer with people accusing the pals of being AI generated pokemon (which was disproven by their lead artist).

  • SnowzSan ( SnowzSan@lemmy.ca ) 
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    See, I don’t mind AI if it’s used for stuff like NPC interactions and what not, but not for the creation of assets or mechanics.

    At least in it’s current iteration, AI can stand out like a sore thumb and once you see it, something is taken away from the experience.

    I don’t think I’ve played a game where I’ve seen AI but this definitely applies to other faucets.

    • everett ( everett@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Which other faucets?

      • tacosanonymous ( tacosanonymous@mander.xyz ) 
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        Bathroom sink, outdoor, utility…

        • everett ( everett@lemmy.ml ) 
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          Stop, I can only get so wet.

      • SnowzSan ( SnowzSan@lemmy.ca ) 
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        Art, news articles, etc.

    • Someonelol ( Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      Ooh instead of the same shitty dialogue from unimportant NPCs they can vary what they say every time you talk to them? That genuinely sounds like it’d improve immersion but we’re so beyond that level that I don’t find it very appealing at the moment.

    • Tollana1234567 ( Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ) 
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      only if the dialogue is already pre-written by people.

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      The sad part is, it could with a little tweaking.
      But that well has been so heavily poisoned by corporate bubble blowing interests, that attempting anything with it is a potential death sentence for your entire project.

  • drdiddlybadger ( drdiddlybadger@pawb.social ) 
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    Great. Cause if they aren’t paying people to make the game, I’m not paying to play the damn game.

  • SabinStargem ( SabinStargem@lemmy.today ) 
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    As a gamer and in most things, I want AI. It is the results that matter to me, not the method. Be it sewn by hand or the loom, the final product has to be good enough to justify my time and money.

    The problems come from who and why, which boils down to the feckless elite wanting to exploit and boss around people. As we have seen countless times in the past, corporations never needed AI to be cruel to people.

  • Kn1ghtDigital ( Kn1ghtDigital@lemmy.zip ) 
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    Wise choice, pal world…

  • Smeef ( Smeef@crazypeople.online ) 
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    Now that is some good marketing.

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