Is there truly no good browser to use? I mean, everyone obviously hate chrome for obvious reasons, firefox is getting a lotta hate for somany stuff- whenever someone mention brave , people hate it too, and ladybird too(ladybird is not really usable yet, I guess- but It also happens to be in a lotta controversy, i wanted to know if any of ya’ll even consider using it, when it’s stable or why won’t you use it), I just wanted to know, why all of these browsers are considered “bad”, or if it is even bad, I don’t know- and what are the good options.
(I don’t know much about these anyway, I mostly use browsers based on firefox personally, I just want ublock origin that’s all lol )
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One of the problems is that Firefox is often compared with soft-fork browsers.
Mozilla needs to develop the whole browser. They have to pay hundreds of devs. For that, they do need search engine deals and ad placements and all that.
That also means, they have to retain mainstream appeal, so they will ship features that some idealists may not like, like the recent AI features.
That’s where virtually all criticism comes from, that Mozilla needs to make money to continue developing the browser.And that even though all this stuff is easy to disable. Firefox forks like LibreWolf are cool, because they offer a configuration preset you can point people to.
What’s not cool, is that lots of folks consider it a moral failing of Mozilla, that they don’t ship LibreWolf’s defaults. If they did, there would be no Firefox anymore and no LibreWolf.exactly, good point.
Browsers are insanely hard to make. They are very complex systems. That means resource heavy to maintain in general. What makes them costly. This construct derails so easily.
With that being said, from an ethical standpoint it’s probably somewhat like this currently:
- Servo
- Librewolf
- Other FF forks (Zen, Waterfox, Glide)
- Firefox
- Orion
- Vivaldi
- Safari
- Chromium
- Ladybird
- Edge
- Chrome
- Brave
Mozilla is not cool/super, but also not the worst.
good list, is ladybird down because of it’s curren state or are there any other reasons? I see people not liking it …
The creator is more or less a facist.
damn, is the creator the same guy who posts the monthly summary videos ? in youtube I guess? - What did he do/doing?
This is a good article: https://kvibber.com/reviews/software/ladybird-inclusivity/
Check especially the links further down under “Follow-Up".
A lot of money is made through the ‘web’; the vast majority of users access the web via a browser: control the browser and you can direct that insane flow of capital. Which is actually a bit strange, because you’d think you’d get a lot of competing vendors, but the global market is served by two really: Google or Firefox.
Google basically shapes the web. They propose new standards and everyone has to go along with them, because they don’t have a choice: Google has their own web-browser. If the other’s don’t like proposal X Google can go ahead and implement it anyway. Now your users will claim your browser is broken, because “it works on Chrome”.
Web-devs are just people–lazy and stupid. As memories fade some devs think the web is “Google Chrome” and just design for that, which can make it incompatible with other browsers. “But bro, 90% of my traffic comes from Google Chrome. I’m going to lock in and dial it up to 100%. Hail Google!”
Capital accumulates and now you find yourself in a technocracy, because you were previously fooled into believing capitalism is the way.
I recently read a witty remark that went something like this: two nations were destroyed via British colonialism. They eventually revolted and threw their colonialists out. One chose the capitalist road, the other communism. Both have obscenely large populations: China and India. Which one would you prefer to live in?
Ah… the point I was trying to make, is there’s an obscene amount of money on ‘the web’. Users are seen as chattel to be sold and brought. I’ve seen glimpses of how laypeople use the internet: it is horrible. It’s more accurately described as how tech-companies abuse their users. The more abuse you can get away with the more capital you can accrue. It leads to a general trend of web-browsers getting caught up in ‘controversies’ and general degeneracy. There’s a lot of money in this game and tech-corps will attempt to overthrow governments to maintain their monopolies. But sure, let’s pretend the browser is just an innocent thing used to look up cute cat pictures:
Im not seeing Waterfox being named here, Is there something wrong wuth It?
I have never used it, is it good? I stopped trying our firefox forks, like the only ones I liked was librewolf and Zen. I once remember trying floorp and absolutely not liking it.
I use It, its alr
Use either LibreWolf or IceCat.
what is icecat? lol
Firefox is really good but makes money with many stupid things. Hardened and debloated it is a good browser, like Ironfox or Librewolf / arkenfox user.js / phoenix.
yesyes, but it’s not realy that stupid tbh, they gotta make money somehow, and without firefox- none of those good forks wont exist for us anyway.
Yes, which it is bad that their only ways of making money are ones I wanna turn off
If there was a Firefox Origin that would give me Librewolf/Ironfox I would buy it.
But instead I donate to projects that couldnt survive without Firefox, which doesnt get a cent from me.
Because mainly of ethical and political reasons I use generally EU apps and services, means as browser Vivaldi (de-googled Chromium from Norway, server in Iceland, green energy)
good, I usually just use firefox forks and currently uses Helium as a chromium backup browser.
I use Zen as backup browser. Helium is a good option, maybe I’ll try it in the first stable release. But Vivaldi will stay as my main browser, due it’s services, like Blog, Mail, Mail client, Feed, Calendar, EE2E Sync, Mastodon…, included in the account, which nobody else of the other indie browsers offer. (Not so advanced the Icelandic Vivaldi soccer team 😣)
Can you please have a better title. Why the clickbait?
I’m bad with titles, I always don’t know how to give it- what would be a good title?
Just something that describes the question/issue you have. Some examples:
“I’m stuck on what browser to use” “help finding a good browser” “Is there truly no good browser to use?”
idk something like that would be better than the current title.
I don’t care what people think or about internet dramas. Brave for me is the sweet spot right now: FOSS, fast, amazing inbuilt adblocker which can’t be limited by Google and everything I don’t need to use (‘bloat’) is opt-in and simply stays out of my way.
My second choice would be Vivaldi, but I feel like the ad blocker and isolation is generally weaker.
and as a bonus it mines crypto in the background. A truly magnificent browser. /s
That’s bullshit. Please, educate yourself instead of writing nonsense. Or just show me the exact place in the code where the “mining” is performed. I’ll wait.
I dont need to show you any code, they dont even hide their crypto implementation with their cryptocurrency reward program. first link: brave.com/wallet/ second link: brave.com/brave-rewards/
Also I have my own experience with (crypro)brave where my pc and my laptop randomy woke up from sleep mode and the solution was uninstalling this browser, it since never happened.
I don’t want to argue with someone whos ego is so big he instantly insults people. You are blinded with unconditional love for this peace of software, so much so that everyone who’s opinion differ is in your eyes uneducated. Did you programmed this browser, did you coded its behavior, is this your kid, your project, why does it hurt you so much if some random person makes an sarcastic statement?
You don’t seem to know what ‘mining’ is or implies. I’m not going to argue with people spreading FUD. Goodbye.
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