So basically classic Reddit. Let the votes matter. Let people decide a down vote threshold (hide posts for me below x number.)
And let all of us who want to see the show put that threshold to negative Infinity and let’s have some gosh dang fun!?
I’m kind of thinking it’s only a matter of time until someone incorporates the mod log and just reintegrates those messages into a continuous comment hierarchy. Kind of like how pie fed incorporates multiple instances into a single comment tree.
Why the extra steps? Comments are never really deleted you can go look them up. Seems pedantically silly.
It’s a matter of the effort it takes to vandalize a community versus the effort to maintain it. Different communities have different thresholds for various things, of course. And, the more obscure a community, the less frequently it is vandalized, and the simpler moderation can be.
Classic reddit worked when it was small. Then subreddits, mostly to categorize, were added when it got larger. Then dedicated subreddit moderators were eventually needed and communities grew around subreddits. And then rules about invading subreddits were needed, and so on.
What’s wrong with vandalism?
(My instance supports anarchists.)
My hypothetical bot army just down voted all your comments below the threshold, all your comments are deleted now.
You don’t have a problem with that?
This is a good example. Most spaces, (virtually all spaces) will consider that a form of vandalism. A similar but even more extreme example is a spam bot posting thousands of links to scam websites.
Some might be fine with that, and that’s up to each community. Some security honeypot-style communities probably benefit from allowing spam, for example.
Not really. I don’t need validation.
And I think that should be part of it. No numbers available for end users(admins would be able to, but ultimately the points wouldn’t matter beyond the threshold you set). Comments without numbers. Let the algo sort it out. Organic conversations without measure.
Sounds healthy almost.
What part of getting silenced by a bot army is organic?
My hypothetical bot army down voted your comments again, If you don’t need validation, you’ll have no issue deleting your comments?
And the “admins would be able to” is just moderation by a different name. Moderators exist because admins can’t do everything and the work needs to be spread out.
It’s your bot army. And you’re organic.
Waves arms around gesticulating wildly.
I was onboard with the idea as an experiment, until you mentioned admins. Mods are just unpaid admins. If you introduce a hierarchical class of users that can do more than others, it’s no longer the ‘organic’ internet interaction you’re selling it as.
I think that’s also an important distinction:
- Organic social interaction and
- Organic internet interaction
are not the same thing. The Internet includes a lot of non-individual, non-human, and non-social actors, in a way that real life doesn’t: companies don’t send people to insert themselves into your meetups at the library, but they do send ‘representatives’ into Internet spaces. If you try to replicate the social anarchism of small group meetups on the internet, you will not get an authentic experience.
Vandalism != anarchism
From an anarchist perspective: there’s a difference between vandalizing a Walmart and vandalizing an online forum. Anarchists clearly recognize that vandalism is destructive. And destruction absolutely can be a liberatory act, e.g. vandalizing a Walmart. But if we’re trying to construct a liberatory community connected by social media … clearly, vandalism of said community is counterproductive.
Moderation allows trusted members of the community to take action against people trying to wreck our communities. It is an act which asserts our freedom of association in any case, a corollary of which is our freedom to disassociate, and an act of community defense in extreme cases (e.g. yeeting Nazis to Hell). That is not to say that forum moderation, including Lemmy’s and PieFed’s implementations, is beyond critique or is incapable of reproducing existing hierarchies. But IMO, moderation can be a perfectly valid tool in an anarchist toolkit.
Vandalism in the common definition is something considered destructive to the space by owners of that space. If the community who owns it wants it, it’s not vandalism in that community.
Not to be really boring, but it doesn’t take too much “vandalism” (specifically talking about forum vandalism) to make an internet space more hostile than friendly
The anarchist community in lemmy is right there
That’s not how anarchism works, and none of the anarchist communities on Lemmy/PieFed have chosen to give all users mod privileges.
About a year ago a mod in ananarchy@sh.itjust.works was making everybody a mod for some reason; I shitposted there once and got modded immediately; I was referencing that.
yeah that was how slashdot worked. although I think it was just upvotes. sorta can’t recall. I thought setting to -1 showed everything.
I still visit /.
It’s like the only site I have good karma on.
It’s hard enough to coördinate a team of five moderators.
