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cm0002 ( cm0002@europe.pub )  to Linux@programming.dev · 2 months ago

China joins Europe in scrapping Windows for Linux

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China joins Europe in scrapping Windows for Linux

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cm0002 ( cm0002@europe.pub )  to Linux@programming.dev · 2 months ago
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The specialized Chinese version of Windows was already scheduled for retirement in February 2027, but now its end-of-life date has been moved up.
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  • BillyClark ( BillyClark@piefed.social ) 
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    Why not Windows 11? Because China, like many other non-US governments, no longer trusts American companies with their software and services. This approach is all about digital sovereignty.

    I never understood why any country would allow their government computers to run proprietary software from a foreign (to them) company.

    I’m sure that China had access to a lot of Windows source code as part of their previous agreement, but it’s far too big a risk, really, for any country, even the United States, to run Windows.

    As far as I’m concerned, China is decades late in making this decision, and it’s still ahead of a lot of (most?) governments.

    • shirasho ( shirasho@feddit.online ) 
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      I’d argue that Linux has only within the last 3 to 5 years become “good enough” to use as a daily driver for the casual, tech illiterate government official. I’ve tried different flavors on and off for the past decade and never stuck with any of them due to instability or UX problems. It was only at the beginning of this year that I found a Linux flavor I could actually stick with and use as my daily driver (CachyOS).

      Linux was ready for tech savvy enthusiasts 10+ years ago, but Government is never that.

      Edit: Also note that government NEEDS stability, which Linux very much wasn’t until recently (and arguably still isnt); this is why Windows has starting becoming a liability.

      • BillyClark ( BillyClark@piefed.social ) 
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        Also note that government NEEDS stability, which Linux very much wasn’t until recently (and arguably still isnt); this is why Windows has starting becoming a liability.

        I was using Linux in the late 90s when my Linux machine would run for months, only being rebooted when I decided to do a kernel upgrade, and meanwhile everybody was running Windows 95, one of the least stable OSes that I’ve ever used. It literally had a counter baked into the OS that caused a crash if you ran it for a certain amount of days, I think 30. If stability was so important, they’d have switched to Linux back then.

        Even in the late 90s, the UI was decent enough as long as you had a decent administrator. I don’t think casual users could be expected to set up Linux back then, but that’s not a government type of use case.

        • NotEasyBeingGreen ( NotEasyBeingGreen@slrpnk.net ) 
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          Apparently it was 50 days:

          https://pipiscrew.github.io/posts/why-window/

          • BillyClark ( BillyClark@piefed.social ) 
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            Wonderful, thanks for looking that up.

            I remember learning about that bug years after the OS came out, and not being too surprised that it was never fixed.

            Windows 95 crashed so often that you’d basically have to specifically do nothing with the machine to ever get that crash. And even then, you’d just assume that it was crashing like Windows 95 always did anyway.

            So you’d be unlikely to see or recognize that bug unless you were specifically testing for uptime issues.

      • VeganCheesecake ( VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        The city of Munich did it in 2004. Only reversed it after Microsoft decided to build their new Germany hq in the city.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LiMux

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    Hey Canada, why are we not doing this?

    • Hakuso ( Hakuso@scribe.disroot.org ) 
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      Carney.

      Why move off of Windows while seling the whole country to corporations?

      • Sunshine (she/her) ( Sunshine@lemmy.ca ) 
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        Linux is too much for out of touch liberals

  • Die4Ever ( Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com ) 
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    my biggest hope with this is more contributors for LibreOffice, so people can stop requiring Excel and then they can move to Linux

    • JustEnoughDucks ( JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl ) 
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      The problem is comoanys’ VBA macros. Many many companies run on excel essentially and have a few spreadsheets using VBA for important things.

      Libreoffice has 1st class python scripting support, unlike Microsoft’s shoehorned in environment, so it is much better for scripting.

      Sadly, it makes it more difficult to switch.

      • alsimoneau ( alsimoneau@lemmy.ca ) 
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        Wait what! I need to check this out!

    • hexagonwin ( hexagonwin@lemmy.today ) 
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      nah they’re probably gonna use the linux version of WPS Office

  • DudeImMacGyver ( DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth ) 
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    I don’t always say this, but good job China!

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    That’s amazing, especially considering China has even more people than the entirety of Europe combined, may we soon follow over here

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      To be clear, articles like this are saying “China”, “Belgium”, etc. as shorthand for the national government of that country.

      Not that everyone in that country must switch; only that the country-level government is declaring they will switch computers they use.

      This does have a strong effect on what other organisations and individuals use, but it lags a long way and certainly doesn’t directly affect everyone in the country.

      With that said: Yeah the Chinese government is made up of a great many more people than European national governments. It’s a big move.

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        but also we keep in mind the sheer size of the largest human government in the world. there’s about 35 million public sector employees

      • Axolotl ( Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ) 
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        But also remember that this may actively impact the developmemt of linux, the EU and China both have resources to contribute to Linux, will China do it? I have no idea but they have to publish their modifications under GPL if they ever do any

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          Using GNU/Linux in schools and colleges will also help people overcome their fear of Linux and introduce more people to open-source software.

          • Axolotl ( Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ) 
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            This too

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          China is already contributing (deepin, drivers, etc)

          • Axolotl ( Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ) 
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            Nice

  • belated_frog_pants ( belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
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    Yessss, lets get every country away from MS

    • Die4Ever ( Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com ) 
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      including the US lmao

      • belated_frog_pants ( belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org ) 
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        Satan, please. I need it

    • schnurrito ( schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      from proprietary software, not from Microsoft; nothing wrong with using free software just because it was developed by Microsoft

  • Die4Ever ( Die4Ever@retrolemmy.com ) 
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    Anyone know what this is?

    [Windows 10 China Government Edition…] and support for Chinese cryptographic standards.

    • Axolotl ( Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it ) 
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      This is one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SM9_(cryptography_standard)

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      maybe ships with chinese ca certs? not sure. i think i’ve seen ISOs for this chinese govt edition win10, you can probably get one from mydigitallife forums if you’re curious

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    I’ve never understood why Asian countries seem so reluctant to use Linux. Maybe it’s just confirmation bias on my part? You would think China especially would have an interest in not using Windows anywhere, and they have the power and resources to quickly build and replace whatever needs to change.

    Just checking the Steam stats only 1.38% has Simplified Chinese set as their language, the same number for Windows is 23.80%. While that just represents Steam users private computers, I guess we will see an increase here in the coming months or years.

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    This is great news for Linux viruses and spyware.

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    • Sunshine (she/her) ( Sunshine@lemmy.ca ) 
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      Someone hasn’t heard of secure blue…

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    It would probably be cheaper and easier to go back to paper and pencil after all this tech world domination bullshit.

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    So weird that it took them this long. Probably because pirating Windows was even less of an issue for them.

    I guess they needed to wait for DHH’s example.

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  • Sunshine (she/her) ( Sunshine@lemmy.ca ) 
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    Chinese evs are about to get upgraded more so through the adoption of linux

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