In regard to the western breach of Minsk 1/2, please cite the “openly admitted by top European officials” source. Also, please explain the Minsk 1/2 agreements so that we can understand how the West and Ukraine “broke” them. And did Russia give up their nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees? Istanbul agreement? - once bitten, twice shy.
Also, why would Russia be giving up their nuclear weapons. You’re so deeply confused here. Ukraine never had nuclear weapons or the launch codes. USSR stationed nuclear weapons on the territory of Ukraine, and Russia became the successors state and inherited the weapons. This was agreed by all parties involved.
Correct, under the condition that it didn’t question Ukrainian sovereignty or territorial integrity going forward… guess 20 years are a long time.
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… and come on?! A link to a blatant propaganda page as credible evidence? Taking a quote completely out of context to interpret in a way that fits your narrative? The article literally says that Merkel didn’t believe the Minsk agreement was a permanent solution. At no point does she say NATO, the US, or Germany broke it or intended to break it. The quote rather implies: We didn’t really believe Russia would leave it at that, so be bought Ukraine time to prepare for the next attack.
That attack, as we all know, did follow in 2022. Good thing Ukraine had some time to prepare.
Ah yes, everything you don’t agree with is propaganda. It’s incredible how you lib trolls just keep doing these mental gymnastics. But western regimes aren’t even hiding the truth. Here’s no lesser person than the US secretary of state openly admitting this is a proxy war. Here’s The Hill explaining the history of it. But sure you keep on braying about blatant propaganda there.
Fam, WSWS is literally the official online publication of a political organization. That’s like citing the US house speaker on matters of the war in Iran: Of course your answer is going to be colored red, white, and blue. I agree that it’s a proxy war. We’re just disagreeing on who started it and who’s defending against aggression. In my reading, it’s far preferable for the EU to stop Russia’s advance in Ukraine than to stop it in Poland. And they should probably be a bit more serious about stopping it in Ukraine than just sending weapons. It’s ugly already, but it could become so much more ugly if Russia keeps pushing and pushing West.
Comrade, I never said it was offensive, I said it was propaganda. Put real simply: “ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.” Merriam-Webster. 1) It’s the official publication by a political organization, and 2) it does misinterpret/over-interpret quotes, as I had explained further up the comment chain. That’s what I’m saying.
Every piece of mainstream media is just as much propaganda by the same definition, so not sure why you’d single a socialist publication out here. You asked for a source and I gave you one. What is says is factual and correct. Yet, you lack even the minimal intellectual integrity to acknowledge this. Also, somebody openly carrying water for a fascist state is not my comrade.
In regard to the western breach of Minsk 1/2, please cite the “openly admitted by top European officials” source. Also, please explain the Minsk 1/2 agreements so that we can understand how the West and Ukraine “broke” them. And did Russia give up their nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees? Istanbul agreement? - once bitten, twice shy.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html
Also, why would Russia be giving up their nuclear weapons. You’re so deeply confused here. Ukraine never had nuclear weapons or the launch codes. USSR stationed nuclear weapons on the territory of Ukraine, and Russia became the successors state and inherited the weapons. This was agreed by all parties involved.
Correct, under the condition that it didn’t question Ukrainian sovereignty or territorial integrity going forward… guess 20 years are a long time.
Edit: … and come on?! A link to a blatant propaganda page as credible evidence? Taking a quote completely out of context to interpret in a way that fits your narrative? The article literally says that Merkel didn’t believe the Minsk agreement was a permanent solution. At no point does she say NATO, the US, or Germany broke it or intended to break it. The quote rather implies: We didn’t really believe Russia would leave it at that, so be bought Ukraine time to prepare for the next attack. That attack, as we all know, did follow in 2022. Good thing Ukraine had some time to prepare.
Ah yes, everything you don’t agree with is propaganda. It’s incredible how you lib trolls just keep doing these mental gymnastics. But western regimes aren’t even hiding the truth. Here’s no lesser person than the US secretary of state openly admitting this is a proxy war. Here’s The Hill explaining the history of it. But sure you keep on braying about blatant propaganda there.
Fam, WSWS is literally the official online publication of a political organization. That’s like citing the US house speaker on matters of the war in Iran: Of course your answer is going to be colored red, white, and blue. I agree that it’s a proxy war. We’re just disagreeing on who started it and who’s defending against aggression. In my reading, it’s far preferable for the EU to stop Russia’s advance in Ukraine than to stop it in Poland. And they should probably be a bit more serious about stopping it in Ukraine than just sending weapons. It’s ugly already, but it could become so much more ugly if Russia keeps pushing and pushing West.
Oh I’m sorry, I forgot that socialist sources are offensive to fascists.
Comrade, I never said it was offensive, I said it was propaganda. Put real simply: “ideas or statements that are often false or exaggerated and that are spread in order to help a cause, a political leader, a government, etc.” Merriam-Webster. 1) It’s the official publication by a political organization, and 2) it does misinterpret/over-interpret quotes, as I had explained further up the comment chain. That’s what I’m saying.
Every piece of mainstream media is just as much propaganda by the same definition, so not sure why you’d single a socialist publication out here. You asked for a source and I gave you one. What is says is factual and correct. Yet, you lack even the minimal intellectual integrity to acknowledge this. Also, somebody openly carrying water for a fascist state is not my comrade.