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Protest against the Omarchy/Omacom Foundation and the tech companies and executives funding far-right open source.
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I am locking the thread only because the comment sections has turn out to be full of toxicity. I am reserving my opinions, but seldom bans will be issued for those who defend far-right, support lies, and lacks basic ethics and/ or human empathy. Feel free to reach out via the report button. Do not use it to defend yourself from “insults” when people disagree with you.
As someone who was vaguely aware of omarchy and an arch user already, I had no interest in using it. I am happy to see more people talking about why it could be controversial. It helps counter the propaganda being pushed by the influencers right now. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
“Me: Oh a list of assholes to avoid, nice. Shopify, who tf is that? EZ. 1 keep sucks, lol. Dell…they make trash, easy. Meta, lol, already done. Coin base more like Rube Base am I right? Digital Ocean still relevant in the hosting world? I thought they’d have gone the way of Go Daddy, Ez boycott list.”
“Brain: You skipped one.”
“Me: reads again Fffffffffffuuuu”
I have no fucking clue how to effectively boycott CloudFlare, gang. That’s…kinda the point of how they positioned themselves.
Stupid fucks, they’re the only one who stands to make as much hand over fist whether open source enshitifies or not. Except if it enshitifies enough, their spigot stops spilling money.
Greedy cunts and the allure of control, what a dynamic duo.
The fuck to use to replace the quintillion different services CF sells?
Asking for…several friends, actually.
Depends. Everything can be replicated given enough time investment. Depends on the cost and if it is even worth.
One can’t really dodge everything. But giving the bare minimum to pass is, in my eyes, acceptable.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
I cut out Cloudflare with a combination of Quad9 and NetBird Reverse Proxy. It’s not going to be free forever but if I don’t start putting my wallet behind my principles I might find out I don’t have a job or my kid won’t have a planet.
CloudflareQuad9 DNSFor anything else, I guess it depends
I don’t use cloudflare for anything. I mean, other sites do, and I can’t control that when I visit them, and I’m probably not going to boycott them right away, but it will put them onto my “actively looking for an alternative” list. Meanwhile my own stuff is never going to be behind cloudflare, and yours doesn’t need to be either, and eventually with enough “you’s” and “me’s” we’ll have our own cloudflare-free internet and the rest of the corporate bullshit can all go choke to death on its own enshittification.
A good idea is to list which CloudFlare services you use and see what nerds have to say. There’s pretty much always a CloudFlare alternative, no matter the product
Yea I currently own all of my domains through cloudflare’s registrar and use them for authoritative DNS. Migrating to another registrar and DNS authority sounds pretty annoying.
It’s really easy. Just check the documentation for transfers on the source and destination registrars. I used to do this all the time at a previous job.
The Omarchy Doctrine is a public, fascist creed: heritage as duty, hold the line, the will to power. It matches Roger Griffin’s palingenetic populist ultranationalism and Robert Paxton’s first stage of fascism: a creed, a leader, followers…
this guy knows how to spot fascism
You’re joking, right?
Not really.
And this is just going to fuel on the fire that is DHH’s crusade. He’s already called the linux community “a bunch of clowns” so this is just going to generate more money for his dotfiles and more than likely grow the userbase.
Granted the Omarchy userbase are a bunch of morons. Also doesn’t help that youtube linux content creators are all pretty much praising the damn thing and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know why. Makes it easy to know which creators to unsub from but it literally leaves it with 4 left one of which doesn’t post anymore.
Who has been prai$ing it?
- FUTO
- Louis Rossmann
- Richard M. Stallman
- Jacob Appelbaum
- suckless
Fuuuuuck…
Louis Rossmann
Wait what?!
There’s three points next to his name:
- “Worked with” someone who has some links to right side politics to get funding for a right to repair non profit.
- Unless there’s more info somewhere, I don’t see this being overly bad since he’s all about trying to change laws for the better, and just by virtue of doing that you will need to at least interact with the slimy part of politics.
- Anti-trans:
which can be paraphrased as “I think transgender women are men but I’m willing to overlook it if we have common cause”- So identity denying. This looks more like he doesn’t have enough information than a case of far right conspiracy trans are pedos shit. Seeing how he’s changed his mind about things in the past when presented with new information, and knowing how deep he goes into rabbit holes (especially when it comes to rights) when he finds them, I see this as unfortunate, but potentially redeemable.
Louis has been a regular poster on the hate and harassment website Kiwi Farms, posting there from 2023 to the present under the username “larossmann”.- I don’t have enough information on this to have a proper opinion. This looks like something that warrants further investigation…
- “Worked with” someone who has some links to right side politics to get funding for a right to repair non profit.
Am I blind? I don’t see those people mentioned in the article anywhere
Also check out Fashware and Weird Little Guys Of FOSS, on which the extended list was based.
Reality is stranger than fiction.
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I honestly don’t see why any of this should stop someone from using the software.
It’s open source. If you don’t like DHH, his politics, or the people funding Omarchy, then don’t give them money. Don’t donate, don’t sponsor them, don’t contribute upstream.
But the code is out there under the MIT license. Anyone can use it, change it, remove whatever they don’t like, or fork the whole thing.
Using a piece of open-source software doesn’t mean you endorse the politics of whoever wrote it. If that were the standard, we’d probably have to audit the personal beliefs of thousands of developers before installing anything.
And if people really think Omarchy has become some political project, then fork it. Change the branding, change the maintainers, change whatever you want. That’s literally one of the reasons open source is useful.
Boycotting companies you don’t want to financially support is one thing. Treating open-source code itself as politically contaminated is another, and I don’t think that makes much sense.
Golly gee, there just aren’t enough Linux distros to choose from. I just have to go with the one by the worst people imaginable. What other choice do I have?
I use Fedora. I obviously don’t “have to” use Omarchy.
But the existence of alternatives has nothing to do with whether using a piece of software means endorsing its author. Otherwise software selection just becomes an ideological loyalty test.
It’s the same as hanging up a picture painted by Hitler.
You just don’t unless you are a Nazi.
That’s just guilt by association with a Hitler comparison thrown in.
Brendan Eich created JavaScript and donated to the campaign against same-sex marriage in California. Does using JavaScript mean you endorse that too?
Of course not. Using someone’s work isn’t an endorsement of their politics.
JavaScript is not a standalone product produced by a single company who’s leader is blogging about how “foreign vagrants should be sent back to where they came from”, my use of a web browser does not directly enrich Brendan Eich.
Do you think just ignoring a festering fascist presence that is getting tons of funding in a community that regularly has money problems will lead to it just going away?
No see they want us to like it and get on board with it because they’re trying to design society in their minds like they design a C++ object; everything must follow the correct interfaces, getters and setters must be privatized, and if any management mistakes are made then processes must be killed.
Im not on board though; no war but class war.
Your points are correct. If they were about an irreplaceable library where there were only one or two options then yeah that’d be fine.
But there aren’t. This is a Linux “distro” with a thousand other options. It’s literally just a Linux distro with a few dot files added. There’s zero reason to ever use this distro.
That still doesn’t really address my point.
Whether there are two alternatives or two thousand doesn’t change what using the software means. If someone prefers Omarchy’s defaults, setup or workflow, that’s enough of a reason to use it.
And if it’s really “just Linux with a few dotfiles added”, that makes the idea that using it is some meaningful political endorsement even harder to take seriously.
If someone prefers Omarchy’s defaults, setup or workflow, that’s enough of a reason to use it.
And if I find out they’re a Nazi, that’s enough reason not to. And in this case there’s so little friction and it’s so simple to not use it, that it’s a no brainer.
If I can avoid supporting a Nazi this easily, without altering a single noticeable thing about my life, it would be irresponsible not to.
Do you understand now?
There is a level of friction associated with changing anything like this for ideological reasons, and everyone has to have their own ways of deciding which ones are worth pushing against, according to them.
“Avoid the Nazi that puts out a slightly modified version of Arch,” is just a no brainer. It takes no effort or energy whatsoever to avoid having that in your life.
The bigger the userbase, the easier time DHH has getting new funding.
Found a fucking Nazi sympathizer aka Nazi.
Using it gives it legitimacy.
Voicing again my agreement, all of this energy going against DHH could be put into a fork and that would be way more powerful and effective of a move.
It’s got kind of a tai chi element - move in the direction of the vector don’t try to go against it. It’s popular for a reason, and you don’t have to throw the baby out with the bath water. There are many things today that you could hyperfocus on the evil aspect of that people still use in their daily lives because it brings them utility.
I used Omarchy and it inspired me to make a NixOS version of it that I called Omnixient :) Thanks to the open-source nature I now have my own awesome config that has brought me a lot of fulfillment and productivity I did not have before.
Publish it.
Again the software and its functionality are not the problem, I just don’t want to support a jackass and his shit takes about dehumanizing people and passing the buck on problems society created.
While he takes on million of dollars for a project that is not an innovator in the space.
but I’m honestly curious, what is this movement against him going to accomplish? I do not know this DHH character nor do I care to listen to anything he says. If he’s as bad as all of these accusations make him out to be then he’s someone who’s just going to write off all of this and/or it’ll fuel him.
I’m genuinely curious, what is the real value or impact of this crusade versus putting that energy toward something constructive? While everyone here is writing about fascism, him and capitalism will keep developing.
It’s just all sounds like terribly futile tactics…
I had originally linked it, but damn! to be honest i want to have nothing to do with whatever is going on here and I’m just going to keep building stuff toward open-source decentralized future using whatever tools I have at my disposal to close the distance. I’m no trained software developer (learned C++ and python from mech engineering & physics) that can reliably maintain a repo people might depend on and this just seems like people flinging shit around. Noooo thank you
More awareness could mean less money going directly to Nazis
I wish that were true but I don’t know that it’s the case. People need something that gives them utility. It seems like everyone is oversaturated these days trying to reconcile the evil that’s being illuminated around the world. I understand the intention, I just don’t think it’s ultimately effective.
but I’m honestly curious, what is this movement against him going to accomplish? I do not know this DHH character nor do I care to listen to anything he says. If he’s as bad as all of these accusations make him out to be then he’s someone who’s just going to write off all of this and/or it’ll fuel him. I’m genuinely curious, what is the real value or impact of this crusade versus putting that energy toward something constructive? While everyone here is writing about fascism, him and capitalism will keep developing. It’s just all sounds like terribly futile tactics…
A fork of what? We already have countless forks of Arch. My understanding is that this one itself doesn’t even change enough to meet the definition of “fork”.
it’s an open source repo: https://github.com/omacom/omarchy I know it’s essentially just a bunch of config files, but is this not the thing everyone is wanting to fight against?
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To me it’s more that a tolerant society should not tolerate people or projects that have this kind of intolerance to others.
Because, if we do, we lose our democracy.
And if people really think Omarchy has become some political project, then fork it.
There’s literally nothing to fork. From what I understand, it in and of itself, isn’t even distinct enough from Arch to be considered a fork.
And how about we stop discouraging people from standing by their values?
Everywhere I look in these threads I see accusations of “far-right”, “racist”, “Nazi”, “fascist”, etc, coming from people who seem to me to be in support of equally extremist views such as communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration, and other objectively destructive social, political and economic views. You’re all standing in glass houses lobbing stones without the slightest bit of self-awareness of the sheer hypocrisy involved.
Not all of us who work in tech are so thoroughly indoctrinated with far left ideology that we can’t see the reality on the ground in our own homelands and develop an informed opinion on it. The bottom line is, whatever projects you’re involved with could just as easily become the target of this same kind of purity test that you’re all trying to enforce. There’s not much stopping any given software project from being forked and taken over by new management once enough people get sick of the ideologues who’ve positioned themselves as self-proclaimed moral gatekeepers.
Meanwhile the beauty of FLOSS in itself is that it is (at least was until fairly recently) effectively borderless, allowing people from vastly different cultures, backgrounds and political affiliations, to all collaborate on producing great products made freely available to everyone. By its nature it transcends and transgresses all these artificial boundaries and flies in the face of the politics we’re always told should divide us as human beings. It’s well past time everyone spits out their respective koolaid and is reminded of that fact. FLOSS is a bridge which brings us together and helps us overcome our differences through shared labors of love. Those who try to inject division and discord into that ethos have no rightful place among us.
You’re a huge dumbass who fell for so much propaganda that it’s almost impossible to even begin to argue with any of this because there are so many bad faith points and false equivalences here.
Just from your opening statement, I see “communism” as an “extreme viewpoint” (it’s not), “sexual sterilization of minors” which is a transphobic dog whistle (no one is sterilizing children), “unchecked mass migration” which is MAGA racist dog-whistle bullshit for “I think only white people should be allowed in rich countries” (no one is opening borders and eschewing immigration law, not even Obama or Biden), “and other objectively destructive” as if your opinion is pure objectivity (delusional) and destructive? Destructive of what, oppressive norms that serve only to entrench power structures while removing freedoms from people who would just like to live their lives?
“The bottom line is, whatever projects you’re involved with could just as easily become the target of this same kind of purity test that you’re all trying to enforce.” - yeah, if they start publishing Nazi-inspired blog posts dehumanizing people and praising authoritarian repressive figures, start raising tons of capital with the hopes of cashing in on their creation: Why the fuck WOULD we support making those assholes rich? It’s not about the software dumbass, it’s about not funding toxic and oppressive figures.
sexual sterilization of minors Either I’m missing something or you’re regurgitating transphobic conspiracy theories
No, you’re sharp as a tack my friend.
It’s funny as hell to me that programming.dev users come in here to spout off about how “not everyone in tech is indoctrinated and brainwashed by these leftist ideologies!” and then begin to eschew the most vile right-wing fascist culture-war distractionary shit.
Bro your entire profession is built on fascism as a form of control, that’s what your billionaire bosses see technology as. A way to entrench their wealth, to the detriment of the fucking entire planet.
I feel like you’re whole comment is a strawman army.
Software is not a religion. Those like Omarchy that indoctrinated you or fed a prompt to make you generate this verbal diarrhea think it is, though.
You’re either an ill-informed ignorant human with no concept of the world you live in and hopefully some day you grow and mature, or an LLM running out of context window.
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Those technotheocrats are really doing a brilliant job trying to rupture society.
Y’know what? You’re right. What builds a strong FLOSS project is a community of open-minded people ready to look over some differences to focus on what matters. I don’t care if you, say, hate communism, or pineapple on pizza, if we can work alongside each other building what aligns with both of us.
The problem is, the latest political turn has people turning against each other, breaking that promise. Hyprland community allows open mocking of trans people. DHH openly calls for the deportation of migrants, some of which are also FLOSS contributors who may lose their livelihood and with it, an ability to participate. The list goes on, and this is what the stir is really about.
No one cares if it’s some views you hold in the vacuum. But these views convert to policies that end up alienating vital parts of the community, and, diverse as FLOSS community is, you’re practically guaranteed to splinter it if you go this route.
For decades, FLOSS came from the place of accepting people as they are. Now this promise is broken, and here we mock and avoid people who made this happen. It is not a purity test, it is a practical way to stand for the community and people that represent it through these turbulent times. The people we end up calling fascist are those who get actively hostile to large groups of people, some of which are inevitably part of what makes the whole FLOSS movement roll. We should never, ever associate with people who murder the promise and foundation FLOSS is built on. DHH and others on the list are among them.
Hyprland community allows open mocking of trans people.
That would be a problem if trans people would be forced to be in the Hyprland community. Are they?
DHH openly calls for the deportation of migrants, some of which are also FLOSS contributors who may lose their livelihood and with it, an ability to participate.
Does he actually call for deportation of anyone who works? That seems to be the constant confusion about what the anti-immigration people are talking about.
That would be a problem if trans people would be forced to be in the Hyprland community.
Then, by extending the same treatment, the civilized world retains full right and reason to exclude and mock those who have no respect for the people they work with.
In any case, what is being done here is divisive and harmful for the FLOSS community. It creates a new separation of people based on ideological grounds, so instead of working together, they’ll be forced to fork the projects or work on something else not out of technical limitations, but out of, simply, worldview. This means less contributors, more drama, endless infighting and all the other things FLOSS traditionally stood above. This is bad for all of us.
You may think all you want, but without proper boundaries set to protect all of the contributors, we won’t go anywhere.
Does he actually call for deportation of anyone who works?
He complained on several occasions about the inflow of foreigners in Denmark and made false claims about migrant criminality while calling for the restoration of Danish national identity by maintaining foreign population controls. This is where it started and it kept developing from there. As per work, instead of suggesting better avenues for work offerings, he suggested going hardline, banning homelessness (as if people do it by choice) and suggesting mass deportations, comparing “gypsies” to “wolves to be shot before they eat the sheep”. Doesn’t look good at all.
That would be a problem if trans people would be forced to be in the Hyprland community. Are they?
This same argument could be made against any other minority (or majority) group: Jews, Muslims, women, disabled people, and so on. None of them are forced into the community either. Surely it wouldn’t be a problem if they could be openly mocked for those qualities, right?
An exclusive community is about as far from “open” as it gets.
This same argument could be made against any other minority (or majority) group: Jews, Muslims, women, disabled people, and so on. None of them are forced into the community either. Surely it wouldn’t be a problem if they could be openly mocked for those qualities, right?
I personally don’t think it’s a good idea to alienate any of those groups, including trans people. Banning assholes is a great idea though, regardless of what their identity group is.
But I don’t think I have any right to tell a project what they find acceptable or not. Like I said, it’s not like everybody has to participate, and there are plenty of projects with different rules and vibes.
But I don’t think I have any right to tell a project what they find acceptable or not. Like I said, it’s not like everybody has to participate, and there are plenty of projects with different rules and vibes.
This is true. If they want to be assholes on their own, then whatever.
It should come as no surprise then, and to no controversy, that we should be allowed to advocate against them in our spaces.
I can see how from the perspective you’re coming from this looks like a “both sides are crazy” situation. But you’re description of the “far left” looks to me like the strawman propaganda you see from some right wing channels. And I get a sense you might not have dug into the points in the linked website.
communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration
It seems like you’re referencing three efforts of attempting to help people who are suffering, but with misleading framing.
communism
Some on the left (including me) are pushing democratic socialism, which is not like the undemocratic Marxist-Leninist communism. From your framing I’d guess you think that “socialism” means no money or private enterprise. But that’s not necessarily true. The distinction between capitalism and socialism is specifically whether there is a class of people (capitalists) whose role is to own large portions of industry. Rather like how there used to be a class of nobility whose role was to rule, and people assumed it couldn’t work any other way. My understanding is democratic socialists are largely pushing for “market socialism” where there is money and private enterprise, but private companies are owned by their workers. For example AOC has made this case. If you think this idea is “objectively destructive” despite the opinion of others who disagree I think maybe you haven’t given the viewpoint a fair analysis. It’s easy to think of the status quo of modern capitalism as the only way, but modern capitalism has only existed for a couple of centuries, and has mutated substantially in that time.
sexual sterilization of minors
This frames bottom surgery as widespread at young ages, which is not true. It also glosses over the suffering that results when gender dysphoria is met with intolerance. Please don’t take at face value the strawman claim that gender-affirming care is “sterilization”. I’ll link to the Physicians for Reproductive Health gender-affirming care factsheet. FWIW people on the left interpret right-wing pushback on trans rights as bullying children, and can’t comprehend why people would do that.
unchecked mass migration
If this references opposition to Trump’s mass-deportation policy, there are important details you should be aware of. There a few problems. One is brutal treatment for what is legally a misdemeanor offense. (If you accumulated a big pile of speeding tickets, do think it would be fair to potentially permanently separate you from your children?) In response the government has deported people to countries they have never been to, including to a very unsafe war zone in South Sudan, and to indefinite imprisonment in CECOT in El Salvador. Many more have been held for who knows how long in thrown-together domestic concentration camps and over-crowded prisons with atrocious conditions. Another problem is doing the same to people who are following the rules. Did you know that ICE has staked out courthouses so they can arrest people at their own immigration hearings? Please try to remember that these are human people, some of whom have fled terrible conditions in their home countries, and who might have nowhere else to go.
The “both sides” take also glosses over the harm that the Omarchy boycott calls out. When people advocate killing off ethnic groups (as DHH has done according to the points in the linked website), that does sometimes lead to killing people of those ethnic groups.
He has never advocated for killing anyone, that is a gross misinterpretation of words.
I could have looked more closely at the original Romani post. DHH argued that ranchers have a right to eliminate wolves by shooting them as an analogy for an argument to get rid of Romani. (Or as he calls them, “gypsies”). He’s a little vague about what he wants to be done to the Romani. But it looks like he identified an ethnic group, and described that group as a “problem”. The comparison to wolves implies he thinks there is something irredeemably problematic with the ethnic group. The analogy with eliminating wolves implies he thinks the ethnic group should be made to go away, somehow. There is no non-violent way to do that.
Edit: I think my words weren’t pointed enough. Romani are a vulnerable group who have been targeted for extermination in the past. The wolf analogy has clearly violent implications. Eliminating or removing or forcibly assimilating an ethnic group is inherently violent. DHH’s post is genocide talk.
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Everywhere I look in these threads I see accusations of “far-right”, “racist”, “Nazi”, “fascist”, etc, coming from people who seem to me to be in support of equally extremist views such as communism, sexual sterilization of minors, unchecked mass migration, and other objectively destructive social, political and economic views.
If that’s the kind of people you see all around you, then you’re hanging out in some extremely questionable places that the rest of us aren’t. Where are you hanging out with people who have strong opinions on sexual sterilization of minors or equivalent? What kinds of weird shit are you into?
Not all of us who work in tech are so thoroughly indoctrinated with far left ideology that we can’t see the reality on the ground in our own homelands and develop an informed opinion on it.
All of us who work in tech are more than familiar with our weird alt right coworkers who think their constant guzzling of FOX News and OANN type propaganda is “information”. You’re not special, except as gossip fodder.
Where are you hanging out with people who have strong opinions on sexual sterilization of minors or equivalent?
I believe he’s referring to corrective surgeries and gender blockers for gender dysphoric people. Surgeries are not done to minors anywhere probably, but puberty blockers are obviously administered to minors. Studies show that puberty blockers very often are followed up with cross-sex hormones, which do cause sterilization for natal males especially.
As someone married to a trans man who has been on HRT long enough to pass in rural southern US, I can tell you from firsthand experience that we still are advised to wear protection.
Because, you know, he’s not sterile. (He wishes he was, though.)
Bottom surgery does sterilize for obvious reasons, but like you said, it’s not a surgery often given to children.
There are many medications with dangerous long-term risks associated with them. Among them is birth control, for example.
Unlike birth control, people take HRT being fully informed what effects are associated with the process. It isn’t administered without acknowledgement of that information. It isn’t given unless you are deemed confident in your decision by mental health professionals. And even then, in many places, it often takes years to begin the process.
The “sterilization” argument is a weak one made to alienate and fearmonger. People who truly have gender dysphoria and truly wish to resolve that issue through transitioning would, for the most part, love to be sterile. The thought of using what they were born with in that manner, usually, is horrifying and disgusting beyond belief.
Anyway, I know you’re not the one making that argument. Just sharing my experiences being around it since it’s relevant.
Oh so he’s basically operating purely on alt right propaganda.
It’s a bit dangerous to allow radical fringe groups to seize facts as their own propaganda.
But only when an actual psychologist (multiple) agree that there is indeed a person born in the wrong body.
They don’t just pick and choose at random or anything…
objectively destructive social, political and economic views. ???
You completely lost me on the first paragraph.
One of the few positive uses of LLMs is the ability to take drivel like this and distill it down to the main points:
Core points:
- Hypocrisy: Ideological critics apply purity tests while holding their own extreme views.
- Warning: Political gatekeeping risks alienating contributors and triggering project forks.
- Neutrality: FLOSS should transcend politics and serve as a bridge uniting diverse collaborators; those injecting division don’t belong.
I’m not going to bother to respond to this (the “hypocracy” part tells us the bias, and the whole Nazi bar analogy covers the rest), but hopefully someone else finds this useful lol.
“How dare people I don’t like give away software”
A political analysis of the founders and leadership behind every product you use must be an exhausting way to live your life.
Unless you propose to gather all those somewhere and “deal with them”, the far-right people are still people. And if they’re not breaking the law, they should enjoy all possible social activities and the fruits of their labor etc. Basically whatever every living human would want and be deserving of.
Your asking is unreasonable. And we all know that if the far-right people are excluded, they’ll just make a “better” Linux community elsewhere. Then the whining will be about them not letting any of the extremists far-left fury Marxists on it ever again.
Also, this hyperbolic inflation of ad hominem “fascist” labeling just makes the word lose its meaning, and makes people lose their respect/belief in what you’re saying. If you want to have a rational discussion using critical thinking, attack the argument not the person. Define words before using them. Tell us what “fascist” means to you, and why you think it applies in this context. Then listen to what people say and try to understand their perspective before writing them off as some kind of lost cause.
If instead you’re not interested in a debate, you’ve already made up your mind and believe there can be no other valid perspectives, well, then maybe you weren’t looking for truth OR intelligence in the first place. As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.
With all the options aroud, I really don’t see the point to even try it.
Omarchy who?
i just use CachyOS anyways, cause i prefer it more then Omarchy and Omarchy is just Arch Linux prebuilt like CachyOS.
i did try Arch Linux Vanilla(no Archinstall),but i dont think thats for me.
ngl Omarchy makes Manjaro look like a saint.Why are you morons trying to make me try Omarchy? I wouldn’t really care about that distro without all the idiotic whining.
DHH is calling you clowns. Good job proving his point.
We just dont like Nazi’s. I know… weird take…
Calling them nazis proves his point. You are being clowns.
But. They are? By their own speech. I’m now guessing you are too?
It’s so weird when you find someone who gleefully repeats all the slogans, and claims to believe all the hateful rhetoric, yet gets their panties all in a bunch when you call them the word.
Why would you be ashamed? Just own it you little Nazi bitches.
Exactly, like, why are they mad I keep calling them nazi’s when they clearly keep doing and saying and believing nazi stuff?
Well then own it and make your grandfather sad and ashamed (As most likely he was actually anti-nazi and anti-fascist.)
If calling a Nazi a Nazi makes me a clown, then hand me the fucking makeup
Yeah that is sooooo goood!
*David Attenborough voice* And here we see a contrarian in the wild, see how they mimic the patterns of a fascist, but hold no views of their own? Fascinating
It is as if they believe they can look more intellectual and interesting than they really are, a weak facade that everyone can see through.
They will not last the winter.
The sign of a fully formed adult human:
being “forced” to do a thing simply because people on a website don’t like the thing (also who actually cares why they don’t like it? Having values is for losers)
