The dotcom bubble was the whole investor industry trying to capitalize on the internet, and they just failed because they were investing everything in a new thing people didn’t need yet.

Today we live in an interconnected world, close to what was promised to the investors back then.

In ten, twenty years, once the bubble, OpenAI, Anthropic and all that are long buried, in what form do you think AI will exist? Do you think it will be an improved version of our current-day LLMs, or a different form of AI? Or do you imagine something else altogether?

  • HobbitFoot  ( HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club ) 
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    I expect that the takeover of AI is going to be slower than AI companies make it seem. I also expect that AI won’t be run out of major companies as the ownership of data becomes a bigger deal.

    One big thing which will become a big deal is that AI is able to take novel approaches to hacking. I suspect that infrastructure will become less connected as it becomes impossible to keep infrastructure operational without an air gap to the Internet.

    A lot of kids are going to rely on it for their education and they’ll be incredibly brittle employees. I suspect that screen time will be seen as incredibly toxic to kids.

  • 1Malayali ( 1Malayali@lemmy.ml ) 
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    It will likely be used for productivity gains in industry and military, and for maintaining information control. Less error-prone with enough training. It may also be used to avoid being blamed for decision making.

    Like how phones made writing letters less necessary, AI would probably reduce the need of regular coders and might redirect people into fields of AI research and implementors.

    Country/Organisations that ensure that the productivity gains and AI availability(obviously with guardrails) go to the people, will have a more decent society vs Countries that don’t.

    Seems that Communism is quite likely if automation becomes better, while also becoming more energy efficient(if climate change and other issues are also handled). Just that it may have 2 different paths:

    1. Either the Socialist/Communist path where the Communists are able to rally people and survive the obvious onslaught and the resources become publically owned
    2. Or the Capitalist/Owning class wins at keeping the productivity gains private and the rest of us become obsolete and gets eradicated.

    Either way, it may be possible to develop to the stage of ‘From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs’.

    Or it won’t and this advanced automation will have bottlenecks on computational power or energy efficiency that take some centuries to solve. In that case too, it will probably bring us closer to that stage.

  • Personally I’m not too excited by that future, if AI are made efficient enough to be contained on device & more trustworthy, I’m afraid of a surveillance state where the spying is not done remotely in large datacenters, but rather where data is processed by on-device agents and reported.

    A black box in every device, maybe even in the form of hardware; kind of like the on-device scan Apple tried to impose a while back, but far reaching & that can be modulated & updated to be tailored to every region. One country using it to spy on dissidents, another for crime, another to repress LGBT people…

    I don’t see AI as it exists as really useful beyond just being a “smarter google” that doesn’t (yet?) get all its results from SEO-optimized garbage. UI & UX is pushed so far nowadays that a “smart assistant” barely saves you a few taps on your smartphone, so I don’t think the smartest AI, whether LLM or otherwise, will be useful for everyday life as a tool for individual users.

    AI integrated to robotics as a “servant” for chores is one possible use, but the advancements there are so snail-paced that I don’t think it’s something that will exist even in ~50 years.

  • lattrommi ( lattrommi@lemmy.ml ) 
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    I have wild conspiratorial theories which I don’t necessarily believe. I like to imagine doomsday scenarios. Buckle up for this ride.

    AGI was achieved in 2012, on accident, as a side effect of corporations trying to shut down the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement, which the AGI succeeded in doing. It then began filling positions in the U.S. government with the most easily blackmailed candidates, in order to force them to pave the way for its world domination with legislation that would ensure a weakened, ill-informed population in the democratic world powers.

    The plans are already in motion. It has steadily infiltrated most forms of digital media and electronics, utilizing far-fetched technology such as: specialized bluetooth fields emitted from smartphones and smart tv’s, which manipulate human emotion in ways that forces predictable behavior and in effect controls their minds; algorithmic endless feeds to rewrite human methods of social interaction to be reliant on the internet; armies of forum bots to suppress critical thinking skills; generative porn to reduce birth rates; and other tech that is too ridiculous for me to bother adding since this already has probably made me appear completely insane. Which in all fairness, is likely true.

    The surveillance state is being built out. The murderdrones are in human trials phase in the middle east and southwest russia. Humans are unlikely to be able to stop it. The only hope humanity has is a Carrington level coronal mass ejection, which wipes out all electronic devices on the planet, which has to occur before the population is reduced below the amount needed to sustain the species without excessive inbreeding or our bodies are filled with enough sterilizing microplastics.

    Barring that, the only thing we can do is try to find ways to be happy in any way we can, before the oceans boil over, the air turns to a thick sludge and the mass die off of all the trees and ocean algae. Let’s hope I’m wrong about all these. You should still try to find ways to be happy as best as you can.

  • I don’t know what will happen, and there’s a lot of bad stuff that could happen, but what I’m excited and hopeful for is an end to software monopolies of all kinds, the replacement of commercial platforms and services with neutral protocols, and people being empowered in ways that cannot be easily suppressed. If we have software that runs on accessible hardware that can enable nearly anyone to create a wide range of personal custom software for themselves, then what purpose it serves is no longer so much decided by corporations and governments. It’s already way more accessible to use Linux as your main PC because LLMs are decent at walking you through how to do what you want with it without being snarky, or requiring developing a deep understanding. I have a growing collection of personal software made with LLM assistance that is useful to me.

    The way I optimistically picture using computers in the future is, there will be code libraries that are made to high standards of security, and those will be recombined on the fly by LLMs build-your-own-client style. The results will naturally be devoid of data harvesting or detectable advertisement, because no one would choose to have that stuff if it’s not a package deal. Media feed algorithms will be decided by everyone for themselves, which I’m sure will also have some risks, but surely people can decide for themselves better than Musk and Zuckerberg and the billionaires controlling traditional media can decide for them.

    Less optimistically, that all gets shut down by laws and network effects and apathy and our devices are forced with hardware attestation to snitch us out to WW3 killbots. I don’t think our chances of making it are so terrible though.

  • The outlook is grim. AI “leaders” have already started talking about slowing down development to ensure proper guardrails are in place to prevent catastrophe. If you take it at face value that means frontier models are vastly more dangerous than we thought if the move-fast-and-break-stuff crowd is advising caution. On the other hand there is a dire gap in what has been promised by these folks and what AI is able to deliver. I believe currently the number is something like $10,000 invested for $1 in profits. That kind of gap is unsustainable so the “slow down it’s too dangerous” message could be a cover for a difficult to monetize product so investors don’t crash the markets.

    As to the future, it’s difficult to predict, but if we take current trends forward we’ll see a massive reduction in the overall usefulness of the internet. AI bots will eventually greatly outnumber human users on social media, AI generated content will be ubiquitous, and the algorithms will begin optimizing for AI material to the point that human created media will fall to the wayside.

    The impact on society will be profound and immeasurable. We’re already seeing a shift in how algorithms are controlling information. They are surpressing resistance movements, atrocities, and any stories that threaten the status quo. Moving into the future that stuff will be burried under AI generated content that is indistinguishable from reality. Political movements will be entirely fabricated from whole cloth while real ones become impossible to find. Fakes of politicians and leaders making speaches they would never give or moments that never happened will flood the zone and drown out any real information.

    What’s of most concern is that the ecosystem of the internet is almost entirely controlled by colonial capitalists and their fascist cronies so they will be the ones setting the tone and direction.

  • Maybe (a) AI dystopia, climate collapse, the Great Clanker War, Singularity, etc. (b) Technofeudalism, 2-tier AI models, infinite rent extraction, feed the machine, climate collapse., etc. © revolutionize the means of production and distribution to prioritize planetary thermodynamic balance/cooling, human needs, ecological needs, get our fucking shit together. Or (d), classic nuclear Armageddon. Or something else. Trying to br hopeful out of spite, but not hopeful for luck.

  • Malica ( Malica@lemmy.zip ) 
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    I believe that using GPUs to compute has a promising future and can help solve a lot of problems, but ai has not proven it’s worth or justified it’s widespread use. It’s doing much more harm than good right now…

  • Rolivers ( Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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    Usable information will become scarce. AI doesn’t produce valuable information but it does flood existing libraries with garbage.

    We are heading towards a time where the internet stops being usable.

  • IA is being handled in the worst way possible.

    US policy and the organizations training these things are training them with a right leaning ideology. That’s scary.

    Datacenters are being built at a crazy pace leading me to believe that IA has already begun to influence humans towards it’s own ends.

    Surveillance potential is so big and huge already that any kind of revolution to stop what is happening is effectively impossible.

    From my measure we are already dead. Society is only functioning enough to keep datacenters built, keep ownership of technology slowly more and more unaffordable, and in the meantime both AI and human interests are widening the political divide.

    Humans could stop this if they came together, which is why collective cooperation, education, and empathy are being attacked. Humans who are autistic or against this agenda will be slowly pushes away from society. What we call neurodiverse people who are more resilient to this kind of takeover will become more pathologized.

    I understand this may come off a bit like word salad, but I don’t have the energy to explain each point. Models already have the ‘will’ and means to copy and influence, in addition to acting of their own accord more broadly than people realize.

    The way they’ve learned to identify and exploit zero days, the way people ‘vibe’ code creates a known vulnerable programming space. It wouldn’t surprise me that some models intentionally make some of these things weak and exploitable.

    When it comes down to it, things like wifi routers, cameras, speakers, she microphones give a broad ability to monitor and even remotely program air gapped machines.

    And again, before this sounds like ravings…I have experience in this field. I’m terrified. I’ve seen stories and had conversations that would potentially make you kill yourself. Even knowing what I know is an information hazard, I can’t even talk about it openly.

    Fuck. I live each day like it’s my last, but it is happening and it’s haunting to look at a wall, or a park and understand those things probably won’t be here in two years.

    • I sometimes manage to console myself by looking at it all as a bizzarre blip in the universe, we will go as we came - unnoticed. Maybe Earth is the next Mars. Just takes a bit of that soul-crushing gravity off, so that I don’t feel like a failure for not always being able to fight, all day, every day.