Where you even born then? The same agency existed before 2003. That was just a name change. After 2001, everything changed. But it was nothing like what exists now. I’d like to see how you guys are doing anything to help humanity and not further it’s destruction. I agree most/all politicians are are selfish assholes. Most of humanity probably deserves to die off. Any number of man made disasters are ready to make that happen. The USA is already dying. China will likely be next dominant power. But just saying fuck Democrats is pointless. What does “join the revolution” actually mean? Just sow more chaos?
The same agency existed before 2003. That was just a name change.
So the meme should have gone back further and said Immigration and Naturalization Service, U.S. Customs Service and assorted other government agencies? Would that be good enough for you?
After 2001, everything changed.
Yes, I know. Americans decided to allow unprecedented surveillance and militarization in exchange for maintaining their way of life.
But it was nothing like what exists now.
My mistake, I must have imagined Guantanamo.
I’d like to see how you guys are doing anything to help humanity and not further it’s destruction.
I agree most/all politicians are are selfish assholes. Most of humanity probably deserves to die off. Any number of man made disasters are ready to make that happen. The USA is already dying. China will likely be next. But just saying fuck Democrats is pointless.
America is the only so- called liberal democracy where criticism of the political establishment is treated like an existential threat to humanity. Free to use slurs but not to dream of a better world, I guess?
What does “join the revolution” actually mean? Just sow more chaos?
I’m sorry you’re having such a rough time processing the immense violence happing within your country. However, my comment was “ICE was formed in 2003”. If that statement, providing a possible reason that year was chosen in the meme, is unbottling all these feelings, I’d like to suggest that it isn’t really my comment that is the problem.
That’s a fair comment, I wasn’t specific enough in what I meant. I don’t think it’s unusual for the state to suppress dissidents. That’s what states do, after all!
I know the internet isn’t real but the only exposure I have to americans is online, and they seem to think that people criticising the democrats are russian agents. Every day americans are so eager to suppress criticism and turn on each other, in service of maintaining the status quo.
Why though? You don’t even need to look beyond the comfort zone of imperialist states to see that electoral democracy can exist in places where people are free to form new parties and coalitions when the existing are not pleasing to anyone. Take the UK for example!
I’m not suggesting more parties are going to stop america from continuing to harm the rest of the world and their people at home. I’m just baffled by the idea that anything but uncritical support of one of the two teams you get to pick from is anti democracy. I think getting over that hurdle is the first step to solidarity and class consciousness.
Oh, yeah, the US ideological state apparatus is extremely powerful.
I’m reminded of a joke:
A KGB spy and a CIA agent meet up in a bar for a friendly drink. “I have to admit, I’m always so impressed by Soviet propaganda. You really know how to get people worked up,” the CIA agent says. “Thank you,” the KGB says. “We do our best but truly, it’s nothing compared to American propaganda. Your people believe everything your state media tells them.” The CIA agent drops his drink in shock and disgust. “Thank you friend, but you must be confused… There’s no propaganda in America.”
I am no fan of the us and I live here. Ive hated politics my whole life. I totally get the hatred of America. I would leave if I could. And there are pockets of resistance here and I do what I can to support that even if it means voting democrat. I have to believe there is still a chance.
The same problems always existing before 2003 which is my point. And every year gets worse. Every country gets worse. Every day the future gets worse and all you guys do is blame someone else. Blaming everyone else, minorities/immigrants is what got is here. Doesnt solve anything.
I don’t disagree with the criticism. The only thing i dislike is the implication to that “there are no good choices” and we should just give up. That’s how the facists win. I also thought the meme was dumb. But tbh I was drunk. I am also new to this platform, so sorry if I fucked up the rules. It still amazed that anyone even read a comment from a noob and took the time to reply.
Of course this is the comment you respond to you monumental coward
China will likely be next
Lol cope. Sorry, but China is not on the verge of collapse, it actually has competent leadership and an educated population that isn’t poisoned by the insane individualist colonialist philosophy that lies at the root of the mind of people like you and the other average half-wits that make up the political base of the US.
Where you even born then? The same agency existed before 2003. That was just a name change. After 2001, everything changed. But it was nothing like what exists now. I’d like to see how you guys are doing anything to help humanity and not further it’s destruction. I agree most/all politicians are are selfish assholes. Most of humanity probably deserves to die off. Any number of man made disasters are ready to make that happen. The USA is already dying. China will likely be next dominant power. But just saying fuck Democrats is pointless. What does “join the revolution” actually mean? Just sow more chaos?
Yes, I talked about it elsewhere in this post: https://crazypeople.online/comment/11609820
So the meme should have gone back further and said Immigration and Naturalization Service, U.S. Customs Service and assorted other government agencies? Would that be good enough for you?
Yes, I know. Americans decided to allow unprecedented surveillance and militarization in exchange for maintaining their way of life.
My mistake, I must have imagined Guantanamo.
America is the only so- called liberal democracy where criticism of the political establishment is treated like an existential threat to humanity. Free to use slurs but not to dream of a better world, I guess?
I’m sorry you’re having such a rough time processing the immense violence happing within your country. However, my comment was “ICE was formed in 2003”. If that statement, providing a possible reason that year was chosen in the meme, is unbottling all these feelings, I’d like to suggest that it isn’t really my comment that is the problem.
The UK is imprisoning nans for holding up signs saying they support Palestine Action.
Denmark jailed a teenage girl for commenting “yaaasss 😍” on a Facebook post sharing an article about Iran firing missiles at Israel.
That’s a fair comment, I wasn’t specific enough in what I meant. I don’t think it’s unusual for the state to suppress dissidents. That’s what states do, after all!
I know the internet isn’t real but the only exposure I have to americans is online, and they seem to think that people criticising the democrats are russian agents. Every day americans are so eager to suppress criticism and turn on each other, in service of maintaining the status quo.
Why though? You don’t even need to look beyond the comfort zone of imperialist states to see that electoral democracy can exist in places where people are free to form new parties and coalitions when the existing are not pleasing to anyone. Take the UK for example!
I’m not suggesting more parties are going to stop america from continuing to harm the rest of the world and their people at home. I’m just baffled by the idea that anything but uncritical support of one of the two teams you get to pick from is anti democracy. I think getting over that hurdle is the first step to solidarity and class consciousness.
Oh, yeah, the US ideological state apparatus is extremely powerful.
I’m reminded of a joke:
I am no fan of the us and I live here. Ive hated politics my whole life. I totally get the hatred of America. I would leave if I could. And there are pockets of resistance here and I do what I can to support that even if it means voting democrat. I have to believe there is still a chance.
I mean this with kindness: my comment is directed only to the people who display the behavior I mention.
The same problems always existing before 2003 which is my point. And every year gets worse. Every country gets worse. Every day the future gets worse and all you guys do is blame someone else. Blaming everyone else, minorities/immigrants is what got is here. Doesnt solve anything.
Yes, problems with borders existed before 2003. But this image is about Democrat support of ICE specifically.
What type of criticism is allowed?
I don’t disagree with the criticism. The only thing i dislike is the implication to that “there are no good choices” and we should just give up. That’s how the facists win. I also thought the meme was dumb. But tbh I was drunk. I am also new to this platform, so sorry if I fucked up the rules. It still amazed that anyone even read a comment from a noob and took the time to reply.
I don’t think anyone is saying there are no good choices and to just give up.
If you can’t talk about what’s wrong, you can’t fix it.
Of course this is the comment you respond to you monumental coward
Lol cope. Sorry, but China is not on the verge of collapse, it actually has competent leadership and an educated population that isn’t poisoned by the insane individualist colonialist philosophy that lies at the root of the mind of people like you and the other average half-wits that make up the political base of the US.
I meant China will be next to be the dominant power. This was the last comment on the thread. Didn’t mean to poke you.