So yeah you can fire a bullet so many different ways, a rusty nail and hammer will do the trick. Isn’t the real problem the frickin bullet?

I swear in Sweden or something, you can take a gun home but ammo is only sold and consumed at the range and not for taking home.

Sure, you can make this a hollistic approach regulating guns and ammo, but the ammo seems to be the bigger issue here. You can make guns easy peasy, but ammo is much harder to manufacture and easier to regulate.

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    So yeah you can fire a bullet so many different ways, a rusty nail and hammer will do the trick.

    Well, there’s also the not-small matter of aiming, or firing again if the first shot didn’t put a satisfactory hole where you wanted. Or just getting the bullet going fast enough to do damage, without a barrel to channel and contain the blast.

    It’s not like the whole history of firearms after the cartridge was invented was a waste of time.

    You can make guns easy peasy

    Ehhh… You can make guns. Metalworking in general is beyond most people, though. And, if you want to rifle a barrel, it’s not clear if standard machine shop equipment will be enough (that’s a pretty small, tight space for a lathe tool). Easy peasy is a bit of a stretch.

    but ammo is much harder to manufacture and easier to regulate

    People can and do reload their own ammo. I don’t know if anybody DIYs their own smokeless powder, and that would probably be highly illegal, but I’ve heard of people making their own black powder.

  • I wouldn’t say ammo is easier to regulate at all. The average gun owner keeps several boxes of handgun ammo and 500-1000 rounds of rifle ammo on hand to start so none of that ammo will be caught by your regulation.

    If you outright banned the new purchase of ammo it would take years before the effects are really noticed, especially considering the rush to buy up every bullet on the market before the ban went into effect. Afterwords you’d see gun owners driving to a state without an ammo ban.

    If you slapped a max limit on ownership, say you can’t have more than 50 rounds of ammo per gun, that wouldn’t have stopped almost any of the mass shooters in the last 10 years who almost all fired less than 50 shots on their rampages. Not to mention enforcing that law would be next to impossible because you’d basically need a signed warrant to check a house for illegal amounts of ammo or catch them in transit.

    If you put a massive tax on ammo combined with a max purchase limit, let’s say 1,000% tax and a limit of 50 rounds per ID card per day, it would be business as usual, just more expensive.

    One thing that might be worth exploring would be an ammo purchase registry. Gun owners haaaaaate their names on lists aand fight it tooth an nail on guns, but they don’t have the protection of the 2nd amendment for ammo. Who knows it might have a chilling effect. Or just drive more transactions through the gun show/private seller loop holes.

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    the key is to put a bright beautiful future ahead of a person, that could be lost if they commit a crime. simple as that.

  • ammo is much harder to manufacture

    I’m not sure if that’s true. I don’t have any experience with it myself, but lead is notoriously easy to cast at home, because of its low melting point.

    So it seems to me, all it takes to make some (shitty) ammo is some lead, a mould (which you can make from clay) and an explosive.

    For a proper modern gun, that last piece is probably pretty difficult, and you would need to make casings somehow too (I’m not sure how difficult that would be). But if you were using some form of (possibly homemade) flintlock or similar, the gunpowder from fireworks should be enough.

    I think regulating both guns and ammo is the way to go.

    • The primers are the only part that people don’t regularly manufacturer at home.

      Smokeless and hopefully black powder don’t explode, they just burn quickly. The primer is a shock-sensitive explosive tho.

  • The practical effect of any sort of gun (or bullet) control would be to disarm the working class. I will not be disarmed under any circumstances, and the vast majority of American workers, convinced communists or not, will agree with me on refusing to disarm.

    “Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.” (Marx, Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm)

  • IMHO what everyone thinks of when you say ‘regulate’ is ‘ban’, and it doesn’t necessarily mean the small things.

    Regulation means adding legislation and requirements for ownership:

    You must carry X amount of insurance for liability, etc. For each type of round…the more ammo you own, type, etc. The higher the premium.

    Don’t have insurance? Thats probable cause for a search warrant and confiscation of any firearms in your home/work, etc. And a ban on you owning firearms.

    Manufacturing ammo or ammo making supplies? Thats a hefty insurance premium as well, and it should be hefty to weed out individuals.

    Licensing for ammo making and supplies should require courses (expensive) annual regulatory fees, oversight and limitations on quantities produced every year.

    I’m sure there are more hurtles that can be thrown up there, but the current administration has proven that regulations don’t mean shit (unless, of course, you mean cyclospora).