Just for reference, here’s an alphabetical list of countries which broadcast executions:
- Afghanistan
- Iran
- Iraq
- North Korea
- Saudi Arabia
- United States
Iraq and Saudi Arabia don’t do public executions these days, and none of them besides the US live stream them. Apparently they’re the first country to ever do it.
The real problem is the reasons some of these countries condemn people to death, regardless of the barbarism they engage in while carrying it out.
The US’s actions are only notable because they are held to a higher standard, rightly so.
I don’t think the US empire is held to a higher standard. I say this holding nothing against everyday US citizens. I mean the power structure of the US has been mistrusted for a very long time but because of their financial/military power, most countries have bowed their heads to them. Not necessarily out of respect.
It is the propaganda narrative which every US citizen grows up with that makes them think they have a high standard.
I mean if you want to argue that it should be an even standard across the board I might agree with you, like I would hold Iran in infinitely lower esteem for hanging political dissidents, to say nothing of them doing it publically.
But something rubs me the wrong way about America, the shining city on the hill, even dipping its toes in this kind of barbaric spectacle.
Whether it’s because I hold them to a higher standard, or because I view it as a betrayal of what liberal democracy means.
Everyone needs to ban this barbarism.
Backward shithole.
Uncivilized barbarians.
This is where I find the Greens not effective.
Banning it from being livestreamed is impossible and will do nothing.
The government should be condemning the US government for still having the death penalty, and use this as an opportunity to make the arguments to why the death penalty is stupid.
And further why it’s so important for us to not be wholly in bed with the US on everything.
This is where I find the Greens not effective.
Very strange criticism for a minor party that is not in government.
The government should be condemning the US government for still having the death penalty, and use this as an opportunity to make the arguments to why the death penalty is stupid.
Is this supposed to be your very sensible, realistic alternative? Have you been paying attention during the last decade of Australian/US relations?
And further why it’s so important for us to not be wholly in bed with the US on everything.
This is the position of The Greens, and has been for years.
What I mean is effective in their political messaging.
I don’t disagree with them on this, otherwise. It’s fucked. And should be prohibited on all Australian media, online or otherwise.
But part of the conversation now, annoyingly, is whether it’s even feasible to ban all streaming.
I will admit that my criticism was probably a bit overblown, and influenced emotionally by my general dislike of the Greens’ ideas about affecting societal change. (i.e. they’re not anti-capitalist, aren’t democratic in their party structure, and believe we can reform our way to something better through parliament)
I’ll take them over Labor any day though, their heart is in the right place as a party.
I kind of agree in the sense that (in my view) preventing Australians from watching the US execution is a kind of a fridge issue - possibly a distraction from more important issues, possible a unnecessarily divisive position for The Greens to take. (Probably most people agree that broadcasting the execution is bad; but many people are sensitive about censorship.)
So in that sense perhaps it is a politically unsavvy thing for The Greens to take a position on. But on the other hand, saying & doing stuff like this is what gets them into the media. When The Greens are only talking about pencil-pushing bean-counting by-the-numbers sensible policies on core issues - they are simply ignored. A few people nod and say ‘fair call’, and no one says anything. No one spreads the word. And so very very few people hear anything about it. So when The Green stick to their core message, they just don’t heard. So these little provocative foraying to side-issue end up being pretty much the only news many people hear about The Greens at all.
Fair enough, I appreciate you adding some nuance to your argument and I can see where you’re coming from. I think their argument for a ban is actually way more feasible than Labor openly criticising the US, though. Labor clearly tries very hard to avoid offending this US administration and would never take a such a strong stand on an issue like this.
Whether a ban would actually be effective in terms of stopping every Australian from viewing the execution is another issue, but in terms of actually implementing something that may have some level of effect, a ban is pretty sensible. That’s exactly the type of solution Labor would go for.
I think I may I have knee-jerked 😅
Appreciate your candor
Everyone should know the terror of the usa.
This is what they’ve always been, whether it’s a charismatic or bumbling killer on their throne.
The world should unite against their barbarism.
How myopic. I didn’t realise America’s sole focus since it’s inception has been terror and barbarism. I guess PEPFAR, USAID, the civil rights act, the Marshall Plan, fighting smallpox and polio, and international disaster relief were just cosmic whoopsies that materialised from the ether.
Play it live on every channel, every screen in the country. Put it on repeat. Show it on street corners and in pubs. Show it in primary schools and high schools. Everyone should see what we’re endorsing by being a US client state. Let those who want to revel in their inhumanity go over every sick detail with glee.
Yep. Show the homeless. Show the millions in penal servitude. Show the working poor. Show the communities racked by drugs and violence. Show the school massacres. Show the executions. Show the lynchings. Show the Epstein files. Even most Americans don’t know the truth of their country.
They know. They have always known. We spent years thinking they just accept it, recent years show they don’t just accept it, they perpetuate and some instances cheer it on.
It would seem that way, but the truth is somehow worse. Most Americans simply don’t care. It’s not that they don’t know enough to care, they simply don’t care enough to know. Accepting it, perpetuating it, or even cheering it on takes some degree or stage of caring in one way or another, most Americans (and dare I say Westerners in general) aren’t even interested in the conversation.
Well if Covid wasn’t enough of a window. I don’t know what else anyone else can do to show how fucking dumb humans truly are.
My mother included. She’s now a self confessed, self congratulatory, fully immunised, cooker.
It’s funny to me you’re listing things we’re already aware of thanks to the US being a transparent western democracy. Things that are the subject of heated discussion within the country as well.
the usa is a warmongering duopoly, not a democracy.
It’s obviously a democracy, so idk why you would deny that. Idk what a “warmongering duopoly” is.
So we shouldn’t be a US client state? What should we be?
not siding with evil would be cool
America is evil, got it 👍
What should we do about it?
I truly hope it’s not us but Americans who say NO and demand it not be filmed for public consumption at all.
Wouldn’t this type of content already be “refused classification” thus disallowed to be broadcast?
A website is not a broadcast. So, it can (and would) disallow the content from being broadcast on TV. But not from a webpage.
While we are at discussing the idea, it kinda won’t work. You can block all of the Internet or none of the Internet. You can’t block some of the Internet. If you ‘block’ a site from Australia, people can and will simply VPN to another country and access it there.
But then it isn’t Australia’s problem, as they are technically accesising internet from another country.
I think it’s Australia’s problem if Australia doesn’t want Australian citizens watching this psychopathic garbage.
Usually I’m against censorship, but I understand completely where they’re coming from here.
I, personally, think it’s something that SHOULD be shown on all our media channels. The muppets who think ON, Trump, Putin, and other fuckwits like them are great. Will get to see what facism is really like.
But maybe add one of those little notices about offending people, kids , etc… With a bunch of helpline numbers attached be shown.
Oh, I’m well aware of the technical impossibility. I meant legally no one in Australia would be allowed to publish it, so a ban is moot. If it’s likely to be RC for a regular broadcaster, it can’t be published online, either.
https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/department/media/publications/online-content-regulation
Yes. At the very least it will be heavily cut and blurred.
It’s only platforms like YouTube that will be able to stream it censor free.
And therein lies the rub. Most are aware of this. And so they call for it to be stopped. Even as they ponder the ability/outcome of censorship…
It’s almost like the movie Idiocracy was an actual prophecy…🤣
Idiocracy is a documentary.
There are already 82837463829 execution videos available online. If it’s even going to be broadcast, and with no protection or authentication (doubt), just don’t watch it. And don’t give us that bullshit “protect the kids” answer. How effective was the social media ban? 7% of kids actually blocked going by the last report?
Or people could just choose to not watch it.
Hopefully Canada will not broadcast it.
It’ll be on the web. Whatever the law Australians and Canadians who want to watch the killing will be able to
If they can stop under 16s accessing social media then they can do this…Oh wait…
That’s a given. It’s the attitude towards it for any given country.
Some interesting points made in this interview by George Galloway of Kim Iversen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P8QWm2pDaM
