Oh my fucking god, this might be the most badass comeback to those shitty “it’s gay” arguments I’ve heard in a long time 😂

  • greenskye ( greenskye@lemmy.zip ) 
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    I mean I have seen people unironically claim the second scenario. And people seem to forever be attempting to claim 20+ year old women as ‘children’ whenever they are dating older men as well. Which, sure call the dude out for being gross, but don’t try to rob an adult of their own agency. That always came off as weirdly sexist against women to me. Like a grown woman couldn’t and shouldn’t be trusted to make her own decisions. Which just felt like yet another way to control women, not actually protect them.

    • cosmos8188 ( cosmos8188@leminal.space ) 
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      Agreed, I never understood this mentality. Not only is this extremely sexist (for no reason what so ever) but ageist aswell. I’ve seen this scenario occur on Lemmy (mainly .global), and the conclusion is always the same: the woman has the mental capacity of a 5yo.

      Also, like other things, this behaviour muddies the waters in what pedophilia is - further straying off from its definition just to allow others to use it as an baseless insult and a deregatory term for the inflicted.

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      A 20 year old isn’t a child, but that doesn’t mean someone over double her age isn’t taking advantage of her youth and lack of experience.

      What a weird place for you to take this conversation.

    • Miisha ( Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) OP
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      I was gonna write up an actual, polite and respectful reply…but you lost me at “vote Trump next election”. Must be nice being so privileged to not have to fear for your rights when specific people with specific opinions, policies and (might I say, bigoted) ideas get in charge.

      You’re clearly either a troll or unfathomably silly. I honestly have no idea how someone can look at the state of America today and think “Ah yes, I want that again!”. But doesn’t matter you right? Not like they’re slowly taking away your rights, life-saving medical treatments and even your humanity.

      This has nothing to do with your dating preferences. You’re a jerk for completely different reasons and this comment is extremely revealing.

    • Apytele ( Apytele@sh.itjust.works ) 
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      Couple things:

      1. Sports aren’t that fucking important. I guess we ultimately agree that pro/adult sports can do whatever tf they want. If you don’t support that for whatever reason, just don’t watch that sport. Personally, having done the actual ass end care for patients with chronic traumatic encephalopathy, I think American football is unconscionable but I know it’s a huge industry that’s not going anywhere and there’s really too many unconscionable things in the world for me to focus on that one specifically. It’s weird how much people care about THIS thing specifically when (as stated) there’s waaay bigger, realer problems with the sports industries.

      2. Similarly, children’s sports are also meaningless (except football being evil as stated), except in that sports generally encourage children to develop habitual activity levels that will later help avoid metabolic disorders and teach some group-work skills. None of those things involve chromosomes or hormones at all. Children need to learn to deal with humans who look and sound different than them to not panic, and hopefully even to engage in group work with a diverse team. So it’s weird to exclude trans kids from children’s sports, because that runs counter to the goal of helping them become well-adjusted. People are just gonna get way weirder around them as time goes on so they may as well get used to it now.

      3. Chromosomes also have a lot less to do with the final form of genitals than one might think. There are even non-chromosomal disorders that can make an XY fetus just not give a fuck about testosterone and grow a vagina anyway. Apparently before modern medical science that usually just kinda went unnoticed for most of the persons life, they were just assumed to be barren. Also if the testosterone thing is itself the deal breaker then like what if she’s had some kinda hormone imbalance earlier in life? How would you even prove that? Biology is waaay more complicated than a coinflip.

      4. I guess it’s not morally wrong to not like the idea of testicles having been part of a person’s body at any point, but it is kinda weird. I really don’t spend all that much time thinking about how any of my partners’ genitals may have looked over a year ago. I’m mostly looking and touching them, hearing them make squishy noises, and occasionally tasting them like… right there, in the moment. If they had a nasty rash a year ago, I wasn’t gonna be licking it then. But it’s not there anymore, so I’m sure gonna lick it now. I guess it’s also like… not wrong to not like surgically constructed/corrected genitals, but like what if they spilled a negligently hot cup of McDonald’s coffee in their lap and it fused their labia together? (Sorry, that story is just wild.)

      5. You can be attracted to whoever you want, but also if you’re otherwise getting along with the person enough that you mutually remove your pants, then see it’s the vagina/penis you were expecting but with some kind of permanent scarring, and that makes you nope out? Again, not morally wrong. But it’s kinda… sad. I’ve had multiple male partners with large circumcision scars that even affected sensation and functionality (again, off-topic but it’s WILD that that’s legal), and like… I licked those too. Where’s your line between type and amount of trauma or surgical intervention or unexpected development and whatever “normal” is to you? Like, I could say all other things being 100% equal, I’d probably be more comfortable with the dick that looks more like I’m expecting a dick to look versus not but it also has the lowest rank on my list behind a lot of things that actually matter, like being funny and not being a rapist or hitting me. I have some visual preferences but pretty much none of them are dealbreakers.

    • Magnum, P.I. ( Magnum@infosec.pub ) 
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      You will vote republican and Trump anyway, no sane person would say stuff like that. Literally threatening people by voting for Hitler “noooo I always voted democrats but NOW if this will not go as I want, I will vote for Hitler and its your fault” What do you even mean? Should you drop all the support right now? What? You never supported anything, all of this is bullshit.

    • Miisha ( Miisha@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) OP
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      Someone always seems to come and mention universal healthcare and universal basic income. I don’t disagree that those things are very important actually, but bigotry is still bad. I believe that two things can be true at the same time.
      Not trying to be offensive, not trying to fight. I’m just saying.