What’s wrong with XMPP?
It evolves too slow.
I mean, in so much less time, Matrix has just got better.
Meanwhile, essential XEPs for modern usability (as the 0503) are undervalued because they’re all old and rigid people who refuse do to (justified) changes.
essential XEPs for modern usability (as the 0503) are undervalued
Interesting.
in so much less time, Matrix has just got better.
AFAIK Matrix still has the same decryption issues. I won’t go into all of its other criticism (unless the thread goes that way).
But I have observed that Movim for instance has matured a lot over the past year. It now has communities and has added many other user experience features.
Yeah, but Movim (and Gajim) are the exception that confirms the rule. Movim do implement that XEP, at least, but Gajim has only been discussing it for a while without any real conclusion.
In short, this comment
Edit: But yeah, the Olm/Megolm issue hasn’t been properly addressed, but as for the other features they look like they’re speedrunning while doing them just right.
Based
Meanwhile everyone is using Discord (still after Chinese funding, enshittification, age verification)
A fringe moved to non federated options Fluxer Haven Stoat
Matrix is too expensive to host, xmpp has no clients to use IRC can’t even edit a message.
Editing messages is for cowards. Just dno’t make mistake.
Why is matrix expensive?
There are plenty of XMPP clients out there that work great… finding one that supports all the features you actually care about…now that’s the hard part. XMPP has too many opt in extensions and it’s very hit and miss with clients
The problem is that the only one XEP that could allow for a Discord-like UX (XEP-0503: Server-Side Spaces) that, let’s admit, is the best one for many (I, in example, prefer that UX over the IRC or plain contacts + MUCs list UX [like, the WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram or most XMPP clients), is only actually used in one client (Movim), and only other one has discussed implementing it (Gajim, that has something like a Client-Side Spaces impl that is really prone to break up), has only done that, discuss it.
And why it’s a Discord-like UX better, in my opinion?
Because it allows for more structured, focused and topic-based conversation and discussion. That’s why that UX has gotten so popular among not only gamers, but also among students, freelancers, creative groups, or even scientists and companies. It’s less prone to become a mess than a plain list where everything is mixed up.
A bare minimum includes: Editing, notifications, 1-1 calls, group calls voip, emoji reactions, discord servers aka matrix space aka fluxer community, mobile app.
Sorry but nothing in the xmpp space gets close. I’m looking for a viable Discord alternative not a gTalk competitor from 10 years ago.
Yes, you basically restated my point, I’m not really disagreeing, but saying there aren’t any clients isn’t really the case either.
That reminds me, I should try to set up a Bolt bridge for my Discord-Stoat server pair again.
I hate the original “14 standards” xkcd comic with a passion. People should try shit and see if it works, if multiple standards works then compatibility layers/bridges will also be built.
I’m happy that multiple DE exist, I love having multiple choice for my init system (and I say this while liking a lot of what systemD offer), bootloader, text editor, etc…
See you have to be careful because with that approach you can get a USB c situation
ONE PLUG FOR EVERYTHING.
just hope the plug has the right pinout, and the cable the right capacity.
One thing is that, another thing is centralisation around a rigid and, sometimes, even badly aged standard just because of “you shouldn’t create any more standards!”.
New standards should absolutely be created because that means that there are more options for different profiles, and also that there will be more chances for the issues on existing standards to be addressed.
Someone is an optimist…
Why photoshop an XKCD comic?
“Why Photoshop an XKCD comic?” because they were making a point directly related to the XKCD comic?
Fediverse is better at everything except onboarding. The access methods are complicated and ill explained for users who expect an app and simple signup. Regular users have no idea what an instance is. Even people who are TRYING to join the fediverse willingly pile in lemmy.world because it’s the default on most apps. There needs to be a round robin assigner to instances that opt in in order to spread users around who don’t care which general instance they join.
The fediverse feels like old internet which I like but is also a barrier to people just looking for easy alternatives.
I love this round robin instance assigner idea.
I’m know there’s things I haven’t thought of but getting them in is most important.
Call it an incubator flag or whatever. Get them in so they can learn what all this has to offer. As they gain knowledge they can make a choice where they end up.
Presenting a user with a list of instances with weird dorky names is the fastest way to get a normie to delete an app. Unless that’s what you want: a fedi-filter
Calling IRC a shitty standard sure is a take.
Adding yet another standard to the list of competing standards is not the right move.
Just giving up and doing nothing is also not the right move (if you are in a position to actually do something and you have reason to care).
The right move:
Look at the details of all the competing standards. Evaluate their technical merit. Evaluate their organizational setup and potential to improve. Pick one. Push for its universal adoption and/or improvement.
USB-C
Situation : there are 14 USB 3 standards
I like the USB-PD standards piling up on top of each other.
More standards! A million standards! A kaleidescope of possibilities, for every preference
