“If we want more growth, we need to allow creative destruction so new companies can deliver the productivity we need.”
Octopus energy ceo greg jackson
“If we want more growth, we need to allow creative destruction so new companies can deliver the productivity we need.”
Octopus energy ceo greg jackson
I really do not like people boasting about how foreign dictatorships are doing everything better while bashing our local democracies. If this guy wants to see an electric truck, he can simply walk onto European streets. They are there. And they are available from those “incubent manufacturers” that he bashes in the article.
There are 50 ton e-trucks available and rolling in Europe? Please, tell me more. That is very interesting.
Electric Trucks are limited to 42 tons in the EU and there are good reasons for that. That really doesn’t change much in this argument - we also do no have those australian road trains and that is also fine
Regardless, which manufacturers are putting these machines on the market?
Just recently I was talking with a professional trucker, who owns a small fleet, and when mentioned reading on projects to develop such vehicles, he denied even the notion itself. And this is a man being hard pressed to keep his business afloat.
Well, then this guy is not good at his job. You can buy the eActros from Mercedes Benz for example. And most manufacturers have an electric truck on the market. You can see this on the map above: If 18% of new trucks in the netherlands or 7% in Germany are electric, somebody has to produce those vehicles and put them onto the market. If a professional trucker can’t see that, he is really incompetent at buying trucks.
I’ll put that towards local market fighting to keep the status quo and people resisting change; most small truckers buy second hand trucks and are extremely wary of change. I’m in Portugal.
Mercedes-Benz eActros, Iveco S-eWay, MAN eTGX, Volvo FH electric, …
Watch the Elektrotrucker on Youtube if you want to know more about it. Channel is in German, he is at the moment on a round-the-world trip with an eActros. https://www.youtube.com/@elektrotrucker
He does English dubs for the more popular videos though.
I mean, electrification is one area where China is significantly and undoubtedly outdoing every single democracy out there. How democratic China is has no bearing on that fact.
It does matter because this is totally what chinese state propaganda is broadcasting to the world. The old playbook the soviets have been doing
It also happens to be true.
Norway walks into the room.
I don’t know if I agree. A dictatorship decides to make more batteries and so the industry bends. Land is taken by the state to build mines. Little regard for the people or the environment.
All of this makes it easier for China to just move to electric, and part of why the EVs they export are so cheap.
They subsidise by environmental impact and possibly human suffering.
* Not to mention they own the battery market.
I’m not sure the argument “EVs are bad for the environment actually” works as well as you think it does.
I wasn’t arguing that. The way China mines and processes lithium for battery manufacture, in which they’re the leading exporter by far due to their rich rare earth deposits, is destroying the surrounding areas.
That’s fair, but my point is: Is there any way to make lithium ion batteries otherwise? Like is there any evidence that for instance Australian lithium is “greener” so to speak?
I see, yes my understanding is that the process can be a lot cleaner and other countries do it (like the US), China just chooses to take cheap shortcuts to take stranglehold of the market, which they now have.
Have been seeing e-Atros in Switzerland and Germany daily during my commutes this year, they are everywhere if you keep your eyes open.
Small sample from the US but I’ve seen some all-electric Penske trucks making deliveries to nearby warehouses. Day-cab semis with full 52’ trailers
https://www.pensketruckleasing.com/truck-leasing/leasing-services/electric-vehicles/
Penske doesn’t make trucks.
Peterbuilt has several EV models. So does MAC. The industry started R&D in electrics years ago.
Have you been to China? It’s not a dictatorship.
He’s simply saying Europe is dragging it’s feet and allowing legacy companies to dictate the path to electrification.
Can’t read the graph but seems woeful for non scandi countries. Fact is the EU could be doing way better to stimulate green tech.
It is a dictatorship, that’s basically a fact. It’s just a much better ran dictatorship than Russia. Sometimes the king is competent & even benevolent & so the kingdom can thrive.
Having been to China has very little to do with this, yes China has amazing infrastructure & whatever else, but this is not an argument in the dictatorship debate, in math terms A is true, B is true, but there is no connection.
ACTCHULLY I’ve been to China, and since I’ve been that means it’s not. I just walked off the plane and they said, “Wow. This white guy arrived in our country, we are going to overthrow our government and implement a democracy - the best the worlds ever seen.”
My first night in China they all whipped out there phones and voted. 100% turnout. 100% of the votes went to the benevolent dictator. Fundamentally nothing changed. But I’m the reason why China has a democracy now.
Yeah apologies. I was wrong.
I appreciate your willingness to learn and admit this so readily, don’t get me wrong. But how did you get here to this point without realizing China is a dictatorship?
I think when i saw the original comment I didn’t think it was fair to lump China in with the Gulf states as a dictatorship. I knew it was a communist, one party state but thought they wouldn’t classify themselves as a dictatorship.
In my other comment I looked it up and China does indeed call themselves a “people’s democratic dictatorship”.
Just got confused by all the terminology.
But the terminology doesn’t really matter, most especially what they call THEMSELVES.
Honestly, sorry, not trying to come across as hostile at all it’s just kinda truly confounding. China exerts far greater direct control over its citizens than any Gulf state.
North Korea calls itself the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, btw
No worries, no hostility!
I think it’s hard because I’ve been there and saw a well functioning country where the people are happy and looked after. Public infrastructure was excellent. Certainly didn’t feel like a dictatorship.
As you say, terminology doesn’t really matter. Every system of governance is susceptible to corruption. From my POV I see China as a country that wants the best for it’s people. I see the flaws of democracy when targeted by extremely wealthy corporations and people.
Don’t get me wrong China has it’s flaws too. But to me it’s doing way better than the US, and the EU should look to strengthen ties.
AI Bot?
Okay I am very impressed at what China is achieving in many fields and it’s truly more than impressive. I have lived in China for a year and I have going back a few times since. It is a dictatorship and you can fuck right off to .ml of you think otherwise
Apologies. Looked it up and you’re right! China is a self described dictatorship. Just a dictatorship of the people.
Given the degree of censorship and control China’s government leverages over its citizens, most political experts would call it a dictatorship. China’s constitution calls its government a “people’s democratic dictatorship.” This may sound like a contradiction of terms to many people. The premise of the “people’s democratic dictatorship” is that the Chinese Party of China and the state represent and act on behalf of the people, but possess and may use powers against reactionary forces. The People’s Republic of China is currently ruled by President Xi Jinping, who also serves as the General Secretary of the Communist Party of China, Chairman of the Central Military Commission, the country’s Vice President, the President of the Central Party School, and the 1st ranked member of the CPC Politburo Standing Committee.
True but the batteries in them still are from china.
Why has your map removed parts of Europe?
EU map
Wrong. What about Norway and Iceland? Why are they included?
It is a map of the EEA, which is EU + EFTA*
'* excluding CH, since they voted no.
Oh, hey another grouping of European countries that I didn’t know yet!
Is Liechtenstein included in this or not?
You can find the answer to that question and many others in the Wikipedia article on European integration.
That diagram is amazing.
The complexity - lol…
Yes, Liechtenstein is included. The Swiss voted against it in 1992, whereas the Liechtensteiners voted in favor.
It’s some weird map, looks to be Schengen with Switzerland removed and Ireland and Iceland added…