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Go out and VOTE. That’s the least fucking thing you must do as a citizen.
But spare us the theatrics, US is patently evil. You can try to lower the evil, however history will still remember your complacency.
Now go ahead with ad-hominems.
Okay Sephiroth
I just have to ask, when both candidates have espoused transphobic rhetoric, who do trans people vote for then? The end goal for both individuals is more dead trans kids.
Since you’re already perfectly aware that the answer is to vote for the people who openly include pro-trans candidates in their ranks, and not the people openly saying you should be either forcibly detransed or killed, I’m unsure what kind of answer you expect. I suppose you could write in Pontius Pilate since you’re nearly on the cross already.
If only more democratic socialists would run.
ITT: A lot of peple bringing their best “I don’t care about those other people, I’ve got mine” rhetoric
Ah, the traditional American rhetoric.
the lesser of two evils is still evil
And the greater of two evils is your mom
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The person i was gonna vote for dropped out last minute.
i was staring at my ballot just eyes glazed over looking at two crusty old white dudes who both vocally support israel n shit. One was red and racist, the other was blue lawyer who I know actively scammed the state for millions of dollars in a shady ass class action lawsuit that ended with no money being given to the plantiffs.
This shit sucks. Do I write in the guy I was gonna vote for anyway? I sure as shit don’t want to vote for the only two fucks on the ballot, they’ll rot my community from the inside.
You may disagree with all the positions offered but assuming they’re bots is incredibly naive.
Yeah good point, Russia has famously never astroturfed online. Also, humans aren’t bots. The word literally means robot.
I never denied that Russia trolls online; it’s a huge part of their intelligence doctrine. Also, humans direct networks of bots.
what is context? Hmm, I dunno, but I’m gonna deliberately misinterpret everything just in case
What leads to this behavior? Did you hang out behind a lot of idling buses for 20 years?
Are you a shitbag IRL or just online?
I howled when this happened. Admittedly, I was day drunk and high but…
Or you know principled anti-capitalists don’t want to give away there power. Oh i forget everyone who disagrees with you are scary foreigners.
Trying this hard to look unbothered is a ghoulish sight.
35·9 hours agoThe sides aren’t the same. Voting alone won’t fix things. Multiple things can be true at once and the folks who point out the truths that complicate your narrative aren’t all foreign provocateurs.
Re: voting, I think it’s helpful for radicals to look at voting not as a means of fixing the system, but as an opportunity to have a say in choosing the enemy they will face in the courts and in the streets.
The real issue is, Voting DOES fix things.
But not “everything instantly.”
But not voting, or voting for fascists, absolutely will never fix anything.
Like Democrats are a shit ass garbage party, but there is ZERO path to any actual change and progression through the GOP. And it will probably take decades of actual effort, but people are stupid and lazy and want instant gratification. So when Dems do garbage they roll back to not voting or supporting fascists who do nothing but lie.
Maybe we just care about different things, but I’ve been voting for progressives for decades and can’t point to much of anything I’ve seen fixed. If anything, I’ve watched the world at large and our politics get worse.
I still think there’s some value in voting (see the above re: choosing the enemy we will face), but I think it’s a mistake to expect or wait for politicians to save us. We have to build a better world for ourselves and take care of each other in the places and ways that we can without waiting for an invitation or asking permission.
It’s almost like every other rounds we go back to Fascism who break everything and act like government is “broken”.
And I have voted for decades as well, in High School I called myself a Communist, but overtime I have moved right so now I am merely somewhere between Socialist and Democratic Socialist.
There’s a reason voting is generally recognised as the least effective method of civic engagement. If you’re not doing more to promote and support the candidates who stand for the values you have, you’re probably not going to get the results you would prefer.
Just remember that the least effective method is still an effective method. Not voting is what “they” want you to do.
Representative democracy suffers the problem of only representing monied interests.
Edit: I continue to vote. I continue to play the lottery.
Go and riot then. Show me up.
On my way to vote for segregation, because my side assures me I’m “one of the good ones.”
Lotta people seem to have missed what happened with Labour in the UK. Both sides are absolutely not the same, but let’s not pretend that a vote for self-preservation is a noble act.
And just to nip this in the bud, I did vote straight Democrat down the ticket. Just not thrilled to find out how many of those candidates will implement Facism: Now in Blue!
let’s not pretend that a vote for self-preservation is a noble act
It kind of is when half the passengers in the car are hellbent on steering everyone into a car shredder.
In your analogy, both parties want to steer the bus into the shredder, but one will do it in a way that kills fewer people, which includes sparing you. Forgive me if “Some of you will die, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make” isn’t a compelling political message.
I demand better than a party that asks me to allow the state to slaughter my most vulnerable brothers and sisters in order to secure my own safety. None of us are free until we all are.
I have had almost 0 noticeable change in my life from trump being elected, it’s more like I see a bus going into the shredder filled with immigrants Ukrainians Palestinians black people lgbtq+ people Iranians Cubans people who need cancer research people who are vulnerable to climate change, and I instead send the bus of Palestinians. Some of you will die no matter how i vote, but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make to prevent 5x more from dying.
Every single cis person and political party is responsible for how trans people are treated.
Stop using us as a cudgel for your ideas.
“I have zero noticable change in my life from Trump”
That is super obvious.
Liberal cis folk saw what was happening and decided we were too political and that we ruined the vibe. Then you deliberately excluded us from the conversation. That wasn’t to help us.
How noble of you to sacrifice others and expect them to also sacrifice themselves.
When you just look at the numbers, that seems logical. Pick the option that minimizes suffering, right? However, it starts to become gross when you notice that it’s always the same demographics on one side of the equation.
If you’re willing to take any action to secure the interests of the majority, then minorities fundamentally do not have rights.
I’d also like to add, I’ve yet to see any indication that Democrats will take strong action to protect Palestinians. Much of the current genocide happened under the Biden administration, which assured us they were very cross with Netanyahu’s government, and then kept sending them weapons anyways. It’s not even a choice of sacrificing one group to protect another—It’s a choice of sacrificing one group so we can maybe think about initiating the process of arranging a meeting to set an action item to strategize possibly helping some people. Or at least stop hurting them… If we feel like it.
If you don’t vote in the primaries to choose which dems are on the ballot then the blame really lies on those who, like were already talking about, decided not to vote in the primaries.
Maybe try harder in ALL elections because the only reason Republicans are in power now is because of low voter turnout by democrats in 2024
I’ve been an activist for decades and during that time I’ve grown incredibly cynical. A lesson that gets repeatedly taught is the vast majority of the loud voices in a movement are smug cowards.
They don’t actually care all that much about their cause: you never see them putting in anything resembling work. Sure, they’ll throw a few bucks at a cause, maybe they’ll attend rallies or protests. But they disapear as soon as anything that requires actual effort, risk, or serious time commitment comes up.
And they sure as hell won’t make hard choices that might impinge on their idealism. They don’t know how to and are unwilling to get their hands dirty and actually fight – moral purity is more important than ugly, imperfect, but net positive change.
They’ll scream about how they’re waiting for a perfect solution … but they can’t be bothered to bust their ass to make it happen. They’re dead weight.
I fail to see how arguing that both sides are the same is going to do anything except discourage voters, which has been rampant from bots & propaganda farms even compared to previous elections.
I voted in the primaries, but this isn’t true. The winner is decided beforehand and the election is just a formality.
The last time I voted for a non-establishment candidate who won the popular vote, the DNC ignored the election results and gave the nomination to their preferred candidate instead. That’s why we got Hillary instead of Bernie in 2016.
Is that why establishment Dem candidates like Cuomo and the Michigan traitoress lost their primaries?
That traitoress Fetterwoman received 49% of the primary vote, with AIPAC spending $30-$35 million on her.
We are so lucky to have El Sayed instead of her.
But don’t fool yourself into thinking this battle is won. Today we are electing multiple Fettermen and Fetterwomen from “centrist” and “swing” states. I hope they all win, they are the lesser of two evils, but they are still evil.
How active are the yandex servers right now?
Yeah but corporate Democrats are going to do absolutely nothing.
So you support fascism over doing nothing, glad to know your point of view
Ok, fine. Nothing, is still better than jackboot Nazis wiping out Latinos and LGBTQ people and letting Ukraine get taken over by shithole Russia in the name of Israel.
Wait, so we get to pick between “slow down heading towards a fascist dystopia” and “speed running towards a fascist dystopia” … and all it takes is taking a few minutes to fill out a ballot?
We get to pick who we’ll have to argue and fight with?
Wow, sounds like a total waste of time.
you guys haven’t even lost and you’re already blaming everyone else. moth supposes it never ceases to amuse how alike democrats are to trump. same party, same tactics.
You’re just shrieking at the voices in your head
Jesus Christ. You’re the crazy one.
I think you misunderstand what the post is saying.
It’s saying “don’t let trolls dissuade you from voting”.
I can get paid for being an asshole online? I’ve been giving away my talents for free all this time.
Recruiting useful idiots to do the grunt work for them is part of the program.
