I usually don’t get too salty about these things, but that seemed uncalled for, especially since I’m on their side.

      • Pisck ( Pisck@lemmy.ml ) English
        15·
        3 years ago

        I would agree for a first offense but we’re only seeing OP’s side of the story. There might be history or context that OP isn’t including because it would be less sympathetic (which is literally the only reason to make this post).

      • youessbee ( youessbee@lemmy.ml ) English
        9·
        3 years ago

        Self-Promos tend to be insta-ban due to how spammed and intrusive they used to be and still are. It’s one of those “everyone gets the same treatment” situations.

  • robcee ( robcee@lemmy.ml ) 
    31·
    3 years ago

    well, I saw your comment and made it here, so at least one happy customer was served.

    Kind of short-sighted by Christian to do this. He could put up an instance, make an Apollo update (not trivial) and migrate a bunch of users onto Lemmy. Getting a decent percentage of Apollo users over here would be good for a producer of a popular app based client. I’d wager operating his own instance would end up being cheaper than Reddit’s API fees. He could even benefit from donations to keep his servers running.

    Everybody wins in this hypothetical, magical, free business idea.

  • jonah ( jonah@lemmy.one ) 
    31·
    3 years ago

    Hmm… That does not bode well for my hopes that Apollo would support Lemmy in the future. It could have been one of his mods and not the dev himself, though.

  • falconfetus8 ( falconfetus8@lemmy.ml ) 
    27·
    3 years ago

    I mean, yeah. You broke the self-promotion rule. It’s a kind of a dumb rule IMO. “You’re allowed to promote things, but just not your things.”. Someone other than you promoting Lemmy wouldn’t be breaking the rules.

    So, there’s no real mystery here.

    • pitninja ( pitninja@lemmy.ml ) 
      27·
      3 years ago

      Maybe the difference is the fact that Dessalines is directly involved in the Lemmy project. Maybe that makes it self promotion in the Apollo dev’s eyes? 🤷

        • Dessalines ( dessalines@lemmy.ml ) OP
          29·
          3 years ago

          Self-promotion rules are really weird for open-source projects too. Its like we’re telling people about a pizza recipe that we created and are sharing freely… we’re not selling anything or trying to profit off people.

          • X77 ( X77@lemmy.ml ) 
            1·
            3 years ago

            It is still self promotion. Lemmy is stagnated for years without user content. Sure there is a window for Lemmy now with reddit changes and you are probably not the only one promoting Lemmy. But you guys promote it where nobody need it lol.

            • karce ( karce@beehaw.org ) 
              15·
              3 years ago

              People definitely need Lemmy now more than ever. Reddit is going public. It’s only matter of time before they ban porn outright and stifle more communities and discussion. I’m very much looking forward to more Lemmy instances and communities.

              • orclev ( orclev@lemmy.ml ) English
                3·
                3 years ago

                This fresh influx of Reddit users into Lemmy is definitely a strong opportunity for Lemmy to expand and it needs to capitalize on it. The next big hurdle though is going to be porn. Currently nobody allows porn on Lemmy because it’s too much of an administration headache. If they were smart (and they usually are) an enterprising porn network like PornHub should stand up a Lemmy instance to host porn out of. If Lemmy doesn’t come up with a solution for porn though I’m not sure it will actually be able to truly replace Reddit.

      • catacomb ( catacomb@beehaw.org ) 
        14·
        3 years ago

        I don’t understand people’s issue with self-promotion. If it’s unhelpful, i.e. spam? Sure, nobody wants to try something completely irrelevant or broken. That’s because it’s irrelevant or broken.

        If you’ve put a lot of work into something, especially for free, which solves someone’s problem; I think you have every right to shout it from the roof tops?

        It’s not like anyone was spamming about Lemmy before people had an issue with Reddit. I had to go hunting to find it months ago.

        • zekiz ( zekiz@lemmy.ml ) 
          15·
          3 years ago

          The problem when you allow this is that sooner or later the sub is only self promotion and you can’t find anything relevant anymore.

          • catacomb ( catacomb@beehaw.org ) 
            9·
            3 years ago

            Yeah, maybe it’s difficult to enforce with nuance and not have people get angry about it.

            I have found some great projects through self-promotion and I haven’t had to moderate it so I might have a soft spot for it.

            • orclev ( orclev@lemmy.ml ) English
              7·
              3 years ago

              No self promotion is a very simple quality filter. Pretty much everyone is proud of something they made, but finding someone else that also is willing to promote it is much harder. By blocking self promotion they’re setting a low bar that needs to be cleared where you have to find someone else to vouch for you. That said, once at least one other person has posted about it you should be allowed to post as well since you’ve effectively cleared that bar at that point.

        • Npenplz ( Npenplz@lemmy.ml ) 
          9·
          3 years ago

          People are a lot more likely to promote their own products if they’re allowed to than to promote someone else’s work, and it quickly becomes spammy of people talking about their own “superior” projects. I fully agree that this is great though, but I get where christain was coming from removing it from his post

      • Steve ( Steve@lemmy.one ) English
        20·
        3 years ago

        It is. Shut down in 2020.

        Boat is a sad story. The site itself was very good. When Reddit purged their worst subs and users, they all went to Voat. Predictably it became extremely toxic.

        • rhabarba ( tux0r@feddit.de ) English
          6·
          3 years ago

          That could have been avoided by establishing a counter-culture there, but it seems that this has not been tried well enough. It’s still sad to see the decline of alternatives to almost every large website out there.

  • Cosmiiko ( Cosmiiko@lemmy.ml ) 
    17·
    3 years ago

    A ban for first offense seems excessive, but to be fair, this whole situation must be quite stressful for them and being asked by hundreds of users for support of X or Y alternative seems like it would quickly become annoying.

  • d3Xt3r ( d3Xt3r@lemmy.ml ) 
    12·
    3 years ago

    Sync > all Reddit clients anyways ^j/k pls don’t ban^

    But seriously though, plenty of posts about Lemmy on the Sync sub. Would be interesting to see if the dev responds though.

    • churlish ( churlish@sopuli.xyz ) 
      16·
      3 years ago

      I read some comments by them today. They are really trying not to burn bridges with reddit in fear that talks over pricing will cease. I could see how removing comments would make sense to them in that light.

        • jiml78 ( jiml78@lemmy.ml ) English
          9·
          3 years ago

          I agree. But like Twitter alternatives, two things are required. Products that that have feature parity and quick mass adoption.

          I have seen it happen twice to large sites. MySpace to Facebook. That happened fast. Then I saw digg to Reddit.

          Both those cases Facebook and Reddit respectively had feature parity(ones that mattered) if not more features. But as a heavy digg user, I still struggled with Reddit.

          Mastodon has struggled to get wide adoption and people are still using Twitter so I am not sure it will ever happen.

          I think if Lemmy wants to succeed and take market share from Reddit, the mobile apps need to greatly improve in the next month. I am not shitting on any of the current apps but they aren’t remotely close to having parity with RIF or Apollo. And that makes sense as those apps are really mature.

            • jiml78 ( jiml78@lemmy.ml ) English
              1·
              3 years ago

              I am bit delayed responding because things like notifications on the mobile app I used doesn’t work. I finally decided to use the web interface of lemmy and said this reply. This is exactly what I am talking about.

              Another thing that is going to hurt Lemmy is all the different instances of the same type of community. I don’t want to subscribe to 5 different “Technology” communities.

  • skepticalifornia ( skepticalifornia@beehaw.org ) 
    8·
    3 years ago

    Maybe a stupid question from a Newb here such as myself, but are there currently any good 3rd party clients for Android and iOS that support Lemmy? I’ve been looking around here using the browser and this platform has promise, but being able to use clients like Apollo, Sync for Reddit, etc, would really make it more useful in my opinion.

  • harpuajim ( harpuajim@lemmy.ml ) 
    6·
    3 years ago

    I would definitely contact the mod(s) of that subreddit and explain the situation. It may be an auto-ban based on language in the post but with some human to human context it could get sorted out.

    • borari ( borari@lemmy.ml ) 
      6·
      3 years ago

      The dev pretty clearly stated that it isn’t an issue of mandating a subscription, because even with one the API pricing is too high for it to make sense.