It really whips the llama’s ass. Post says it all. Foreveralone. Take my upvote. Are we in post-social media yet or what?
My hope is that someone (Mozilla? Apollo devs?) stands up a Lemmy instance “for the average user” similar to what Mozilla did for Mastodon. It’ll take moves like that to get some degree of critical mass and help the average user switch to federated apps like Lemmy. https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-social-mastodon-private-beta-announcement/
Mastodon has a flagship instance for normies before mozilla. Lemmy doesn’t
Is Lemmy.ml not the flagship instance? Or is it just one of the larger ones?
It’s the one the devs run and so is often treated as such, but they discourage it in order to encourage decentralization and because they don’t want too much moderation overhead.
Ah, thank you for the clarification!
It’s unfortunate, when I signed up a day or two back I tried several other instances first but they were all down. Or some kind of weird communist thing. So I ended up with lemmy.ml simply because it was there at the time.
I’ve seen a lot of comments about adding a mechanism to allow user accounts to be migrated from one instance to another, hopefully that’ll get added relatively soon and then I’ll be able to diffuse out to a smaller instance.
To expand on morrowind’s answer, here’s the long response about not being a flagship: https://lemmy.ml/post/70280
Yes, if mozilla makes an instance the game will be changed. The biggest problems I’m seeing people on reddit say is that making an account is awful and picking an instance is too hard. Please mozilla
Upvoted for WinAmp reference
I think for certain technology and privacy focused individuals, Mastodon and Lemmy are the way forward. Some people will always prefer a centralized solution or just don’t care enough to make the switch. They will continue to be the userbase of websites like Digg, Reddit, and Twitter.
And to be honest, I don’t see that as a bad thing. I find the content here is actually worth reading through almost every comment, whereas on Reddit/Digg/Twitter I’d scroll past hundreds at a time because of how low-quality they looked.
Yeah I think a bit of a barrier to entry is actually a good thing, in a way. Keeps low quality content to a minimum and the discussions more authentic. At least this is what reddit (or even the Internet, in general) was back in the day.
Yes the easiness of registering to reddit have also contributed to it’s dumbing down. People who just follows the trend basically overwhelmed the culture of that site. And i hope the perceived difficulty in using Lemmy acts as an effective barrier to those kind of demographic.
Yep exactly. Culture got diluted far too much. Niche subs were/are good for specific interests, but everything else changed so much nowadays
I just want to know if we call communities sublemmies? Or sending else?
And are we lemmings? I’ve wondered what the term of what the users will be called will be
I mean, I followed people over here from reddit so I guess we are lemmings
Well, if we decide we like the official name, we call communities “communities”. Hence the /c/ in “https://lemmy.ml/c/asklemmy” and the link up the top.
I like “communities” :)
Deaddit
hello from kbin 👋👋
Hey! Glad to be part of the fediverse. Bit of a learning curve, but it’s exciting and interesting!
Reddit is Dead, long live… leddi- lemmy?
Earlier this year I s/twitter/mastodon/ to good effect. I don’t think s/reddit/lemmy/ will happen anytime soon; the numbers are too small for any real network effect.
For example, the subreddit I spend the most time in has >2million readers. There are enough posts daily that my niche interests come up regularly and I contribute to those discussions.
Everything started somewhere. I think (could be way off here) that Reddit became popular because of some unpopular stuff Digg was doing.
Yup, that’s how I ended up on reddit back in the day, when digg did some stupid shit, that I don’t even remember wat was any more, but something similar to what reddit is doing now.
Reddit is well structured to spur and better support larger scale migration, though, since subreddits are operated somewhat similarly to how Fediverse instances are run. They’re structured such that they have hegemons and formal “leadership”. If the mod teams of a reasonable number of medium sized active subreddits just decided to spin up their own lemmy or kbin instances, it would make fedi aggregators a real destination for Reddit folks overnight.
This is different from Twitter, where communities were informal structures, and no one had any kind of editorial control. It’s way more structured.
The key is to sell mods on it, rather than individual users.
If the mod teams of a reasonable number of medium sized active subreddits just decided to spin up their own lemmy or kbin instances, it would make fedi aggregators a real destination for Reddit folks overnight.
That’s a compelling point.
an own instance would be amazing for sure! However its still even possible to just use an existing instance for the old subreddit / new comunity.
Tbh I have no idea, I stumbled across Lemmy from a random Reddit post. However, getting out of Reddit for a bit and looking around what’s here now, it reminds me of the early days, and maybe I’m just old, but I think they were better. Maybe at Reddit’s scale + the way the web is now just isn’t something that scratches that itch for me. If not Lemmy I hope to find another alternative for that. But in order for this to work, you’re right, it does need a certain number of users, we’ll have to see how that pans out I guess.
It’s the size of the site. Reddit has too many users and has lost what once made it special. Everyone wants this place to grow to astronomical numbers, but I guarantee it will start declining once that happens. Smaller, more tightknit communities are much better imo.
I think this is a general problem of mass media. A capitalist firm operates under the imperative of unlimited growth. It is not enough to succeed at something, it must expand. We can see this effect take place everywhere from Hollywood movies to AAA video games to news and social media. In order to optimize the marketability of a piece of media, it must be as inoffensive as possible, until you end up with the fully lobotomized outputs of the major studios which never say anything of consequence about history, politics, philosophy, or current events, lest they offend 1-2% of Nazis or landlords on the fringes. You end up with pure slop.
The same goes for social media sites. Platforms like Reddit and Twitter would rather expand then send the Nazis to the virtual gulag. They will only take action if, by their calculation, inaction will impact their ability to expand. Likewise, they dull the edges on all political and philisophical discussion, lest the Marxists make the Liberals too uncomfortable. You end up with hermetic political discussion boards like r/Politics where the topics are limited to the latest WaPo/NYT perspectives on parliamentary masturbation - where labor strikes and political rallies are categorically deemed non-political unless someone like Bret Stevens blesses them with a rambling op-ed.
I personally see the small userbase of lemmy as an advantage as well. Reddit is too popular now, it’s full of karma-farming bots and commercialized, mass-appealing content. Those things are worthwhile on sites with millions of users, but not here. We just need enough active users to get things going. The app devs of Reddit clients might be of great help.
Love the winamp reference! No other software has a better start up sound IMHO.
It actually makes me realise - back in 2016 when thedonald was constantly making its way to the top of reddit, none of the people at the top did anything.
Now with these API changes, you barely hear about them despite the threads being heavily upvoted.
I look back on that shitshow with even more pennies dropping.
Loved the winamp reference!
Post needs more CowboyNeal to go with that whipped llama.