I’ve never been sentimental about a social media site but it’s sad for me to see reddit so clearly killing itself. Pushshift is already banned and Apollo is soon to follow. Reddit will either pivot fully to a mainstream audience or die out. It’s just sad for me to see it doing it to itself.

    • Yeah I think it’s part of the natural cycle of social media for corporations to ruin things, increasing organisational complexity leads to management who can increasingly delude themselves their interests still align with the users when they’ve clearly drifted far apart.

      I think the future is small, decentralised communities with no VCs, no ad men, and no CEOs. I’m much more excited to be a part of that than I am sad to see Reddit go.

      •  ultraHQ   ( @ultraHQ@beehaw.org ) 
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        The one thing that I am worried about for a decentralized future is incentives.

        What keeps a federalized service owner going over the years? Donations alone won’t account for server costs, let alone time spent maintaining code or moderating communities.

        Most successful open source projects offer enterprise packages to sustain incentivization, or are a subset of a megacorp that releases (off of the top of my head: canonical, hashicorp, apache, mongodb, k8s, chromium, android, redhat) and the list goes on.

        Most, if not all, of the donations based or FOSS projects that I have seen over the years lose traction because the hobby wears off for the core maintainers.

        • It’s a fair question, although people kept phpBB boards running for years as hobbyist projects with decent communities on them and moderators are usually volunteers. We don’t necessarily want tight-knit communities to scale to Reddit’s size anyway and the only thing that’s really changed other than Reddit eating the wind out of their sails for those types of self-hosted communities is that search engines are worthless spam-serving tools now so they’re less discoverable which the fediverse seems like a decent enough solution to.

  •  donio   ( @donio@beehaw.org ) 
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    It kinda feels like this whole mess is giving me permission to leave. Like when you know that you are in an unhealthy relationship but don’t know how to get out of it and suddenly your partner says that maybe you should start seeing other people.

  • Yeah for sure. I was on reddit for 13 years, there were users I recognised by name, people I was friendly with, people I’d have intense debates with, many, many, many subreddits I loved.

    But nothing lasts forever, and this place seems nice so here’s to new beginnings 🍻

  • It almost doesn’t even feel real. Like, in a few weeks I won’t be using reddit almost at all anymore since RiF will be gone. And yet, I’m still browsing Reddit just as much right now as ever and seeing almost no difference other than salty posts about the API changes on a few subs.

  • I’m really fucking pissed because reddit is the only forum for a lot of topics. Realistically, I can’t say I’m going to stop using it totally. Like, you can clearly see it is at risk of a tumblr-esque descent. The CEO has repeatedly said they are “fighting” for nsfw content to remain, but I trust 0% of what that guy says considering he’s repeatedly lied, slandered people and freely admits to just trying to get profitable as soon as possible (see latest ama, for the IPO so he can cash out, presumably). If this really is a Tumblr level decline which it remains to be seen if it is, they’ll be in desperate need of more VC cash so porn is as good as gone.

    Anyways, I hope some communities start coming over. The blackout is a good protest, but meaningless if there’s no actual action apart from that. Regarding the blackout, I don’t even really give a shit about “saving” Reddit anymore, as they’ve made it very clear they are beyond saving. I just want the same experience with the same level of community somewhere else (fuck capitalism and centralization though)

    • I really hope that Reddit never becomes profitable despite all of their best efforts–at least as long as Steve is running it. He is so unprofessional and does not deserve to cash in. I hope he loses money slowly but surely due to his incompetent decisions, just as Lowtax did at SomethingAwful.

    • I agree with you about the communities and forums. Those take years to develop, even with promising options like Lemmy. Reddit became so popular there was a niche community for literally anything you can imagine. I hope the enthusiasm carries over and develops elsewhere/here.

  • Reddit isn’t so much killing itself as rather being killed for money.

    This is why I hate capitalism. It ruins everything, including the planet and the future.

    Pity we can’t have a social media site that’s a public service!

    • Run by who, your friendly neighborhood local government?

      No thank you. I think Lemmy is great. Hopefully it catches on sufficiently for niche communities to really develop.

      The fact that it’s a teeny tiny bit more technical than reddit is a nice barrier against utter stupidity.

      • Governments are at least answerable to the people, or should be. Corporations are answerable to no one except their major stockholders.

        As for the learning curve for Lemmy, I think that’s been overemphasized. People can learn. And at the same time feedback from the increasing number of users will help the devs to smooth out the rough edges, making Lemmy easier to use.

        I remember when practically nobody knew what the internet was. Now everybody’s walking around with the internet in their pocket, using it all the time.

  • Thing is, it already has a mainstream audience with the majority of its users on the official app and using the garbage redesigned website.

    Just wondering if the mods and people actually making content are part of that audience or not.

    I’m hoping no, and that reddit will fail like Digg given its horrible decision making the last few days. May that IPO crash and burn.

    • That’s what I think, those who are actually interested in managing a quality sub will likely learn how the fediverse works and move, since the quality of people here will, on average, be higher than the unwashed masses.

  •  Mac   ( @Mac@lemmy.world ) 
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    No, Reddit is trash. What you’re missing is the small communities that made it worth enduring. Those communities are created and inhabited by people like us. They will live on somewhere else—maybe even here.

  •  Andreas   ( @Andreas@feddit.dk ) 
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    Nope, not at all. All products and services inevitably kill themselves when they prioritize growth against providing a high-quality service. Infinite growth is impossible and when the service’s growth hits its natural limit, it will introduce quality setbacks to reach the profit goals. I’ll miss the contributors on Reddit who made its communities great, but I also know these communities and their users will survive without Reddit. As for Reddit the corporation itself…

  •  klemptor   ( @klemptor@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Honestly, yeah. Reddit has been part of my daily routine for 12 years now. Sure, a lot of the content is junk food for the brain, and reddit has changed a lot during that time, but I’ve also learned a lot of cool things and had a lot of interesting conversations there. Lemmy looks promising, but it’s still very nascent. The userbase is small, it’s missing a lot of the niche communities that you can find on reddit, and the tech is glitchy. Overall it feels a lot more like tinier than reddit (which duh, of course it does).

    Reddit is also a bad habit that I’ve wanted to reduce for a while now, so maybe this is the shove I needed.

  • Yes and no, I loved reddit’s simplicity and compatibility with third-party applications. There was basically a subreddit for everything.

    My feelings about reddit started to change when they implemented the new reddit frontend. Another change was that some big subreddits have mods who are on a power trip - so a simple discussion was impossible. Now they have taken away my favorite application - Apollo.

    I’m pretty sure reddit will survive, but with worse content anyway, because reddit as a business doesn’t care about quality of content, they only care about engagement.

    On the other hand, I’m “happy” reddit did what they did, and because such a decision to limit the API or introduce nonsense only promotes the development of a federated and decentralized social internet. It reminds me of the “old internet”, which I miss a lot, and I’m very happy to see its revival and people using it.