I have seen that the lemmy.ml mods will openly ban discussion about the CCP. I am wondering if the sh.itjust.works team allows criticism of government bodies, while still banning racism.
Any government or governing body should be open to criticism. They are suppose to be working for the people they serve. How is anyone going to know better if no one tells them what they are doing wrong? @wriggly3171@sh.itjust.works you have my support
- lemme ( @lemme@sh.itjust.works ) English39•1 year ago
👆my dude this is yet another reason why I like it here
- imaqtpie ( @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ) English30•1 year ago
The dude abides.
- speck ( @speck@sh.itjust.works ) English11•1 year ago
Yeah, it’s not about levying criticism. It’s about having an outsized agenda, arguing in bad faith, spamming the critiques where they don’t below, trying to co-op a shared space to create an echo chamber, etc…
- this ( @this@sh.itjust.works ) English10•1 year ago
Right on! So I have a question, if I posted something that got me banned from lemmy.ml (such as an article criticizing the CCP for example) I would just not have access to the communities on that instance right? Like it won’t affect my experience in other instances right?
- TheDude ( @TheDude@sh.itjust.works ) English10•1 year ago
That’s correct.
- flatau ( @flatau@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
Interesting to know, thanks!
- _haha_oh_wow_ ( @_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works ) English107•1 year ago
Let’s find out: The CCP is committing genocide against the Uighur people
- _haha_oh_wow_ ( @_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works ) English44•1 year ago
If I get banned, it wasn’t worth being here in the first place.
- can ( @can@sh.itjust.works ) English20•1 year ago
Agreed.
- lemmywinks ( @lemmywinks@sh.itjust.works ) English44•1 year ago
Adding the people of occupied Tibet to this.
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- Socsa ( @Socsa@sh.itjust.works ) English12•1 year ago
*Occupied Tibet
- Socsa ( @Socsa@sh.itjust.works ) English34•1 year ago
Mao Zedong was a little piss baby who hid in the mountains while the KMT fought the Japanese.
- TinyPanda ( @TinyPanda@sh.itjust.works ) English4•1 year ago
The KMT were brutal fascists and the communist parties around the world sacrificed more than canadians during world war 2 wtf is wrong with you… revisionist history to own who? If the kmt were powerful they wouldnt have gotten insta bozo’d by the CCP. Modern china is nothing to defend but youre weird, posting pro fash propaganda
- can ( @can@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
- alternativeninja ( @alternativeninja@lemmy.sdf.org ) English99•1 year ago
I hope so, although it’s not something I personally care too much about.
- imaqtpie ( @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ) English23•1 year ago
LMAO sexy communist Winnie the pooh was not on my itinerary today. And no I’m not aroused I’m just interested in the content.
- Lux ( @Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English20•1 year ago
Sexy?
- imaqtpie ( @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ) English23•1 year ago
Surely I’m not the only one wondering what kinda unit he’s packing down there. My man looks awfully proud
- Shit ( @Shit@sh.itjust.works ) English22•1 year ago
Find Jesus 🙏 😦
- imaqtpie ( @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ) English15•1 year ago
Hey man don’t infringe on my ability to be degenerate in one instance and self-righteous in the next. Besides everyone has wondered about Winnie the pooh’s genitals at some point. Right guys? Right?
- Hexadecimald ( @Hexadecimald@sh.itjust.works ) English4•1 year ago
nice bomb ass dank ass snoking pfp
- imaqtpie ( @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
Chronner brothers dot com
- Confuzzeled ( @Confuzzeled@lemmy.world ) English5•1 year ago
I mean he’s not wearing any trousers, unless he has some kind of prehensile penis that he can retract at will? Like a foot long yellow elephants trunk snuffling around for honey.
- bufordt ( @bufordt@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
unless he has some kind of prehensile penis that he can retract at will? Like a foot long yellow elephants trunk snuffling around for honey.
And now I’ve found my new kink.
- Michael0x18 ( @Michael0x18@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
Check out ducks
- Socsa ( @Socsa@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
Is there any other kind of communist Winnie the Pooh?
- imaqtpie ( @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
I don’t think there is, now that you mention it.
- Silki ( @ballogh@sh.itjust.works ) English23•1 year ago
You’ve been banned from /c/memes 😎
- Setarkus ( @Setarkus@lemmy.world ) English4•1 year ago
What have you brought upon this thread…
- ArtisanalRuntime ( @ArtisanalRuntime@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
farnsworth voice Oh my!
- sharp ( @sharp@sh.itjust.works ) English70•1 year ago
There’s some talk about “a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately” in https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/users/07-history-of-lemmy.html, which struck me as odd.
Criticism of any governments should be allowed, especially authoritarian ones.
- Alkalyon ( @Alkalyon@lemmy.ml ) English67•1 year ago
Yeah. This is kinda gaslighting:
We’ve also seen a rise in anti-China posts that have hit Reddit lately, and along with that comes anti-chinese racism,
No. Anti-china posts are not racist. We all hate Hitler Germany. Does that mean we are racist against Germans?
This sentence is fundamentaly flawed and shouldn’t exist in the documentation.
- Album ( @Album@sh.itjust.works ) English23•1 year ago
It’s an absolute gaslight. He doesn’t mention that the subs closed down supported authoritarian regimes and were a safe space for violence and extremism where members regularly advocated for it.
But yeah it’s typical authoritarian/fascist gaslighting.
- jasondotjson ( @jasondotjson@sh.itjust.works ) English19•1 year ago
To push back on this a little: there’s definitely historical precedent for anti-regime sentiment bleeding over into anti-populace sentiment. To use your example of WWII, a lot of the anti-Japan sentiment bled over to anti-Japanese sentiment in the US in the form of internment camps.
Of course this was in the 1940s and I like to think that we’ve become a little bit less racist now. But I’ve noticed a lot more racist “jokes” on Reddit as anti-China sentiment has risen. Don’t get me wrong, we should still criticize China for its many human rights abuses and imperialistic practices as well as their violations of personal freedoms in their citizens etc. etc. but we should also be aware that these criticisms will be used by racists to justify their views and their actions, and call it out when it starts becoming more about the people than the government.
- Ergonomic_Keyboard ( @Ergonomic_Keyboard@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
I think it’s because people nowadays are brought up to to ***follow ***what they read.
There is so much importance of memorising facts one is informed like a computer, then alongside this, are informed by media and abrihamic based religions repeatedly, that life is binary good and bad.
And as such, when an average reader attempts to criticise China, or Israel, UK or US present governmental practices for instance, they struggle to not generalise and lump government, people, race, and more all into one.
To educate massess of people into being able to criticise policy is a surefire way to get the masses to be critical of the practices of a present government, and get you out of power.
Binary identity politics however, will keep you there, in power, forever.
- planish ( @planish@sh.itjust.works ) English10•1 year ago
Anti-China posts can be racist. If someone is yelling about the Chinese government oppressing people, great.
But it sure does seem like people are out there fomenting FUD about China as China, not really in reference to particular policies or practices that need to change.
For example, in The New York Times’s coverage of that time the US decided to try and ban people anywhere selling good GPUs and semiconductor stuff to people in China, it’s all about “how effective will this be at preventing China from having things” and “how much will this cost Americans”. Not “is this the right thing to do to best stop people in China from being oppressed” or “why should the US be in charge of who can make microchips”.
You could say “we think China’s government is going to use GPUs to abuse human rights” or “we think if China ever develops a halfway decent semiconductor industry they will immediately invade Taiwan”, but often that kind of context seems to have been deemed irrelevant. People are just taking it as read that it is right and proper for the US to decide what industries Chinese people may or may not do, and how good at them they are allowed to be.
And I don’t think they’d do that in the absence of racism.
- kamenoko ( @kamenoko@sh.itjust.works ) English46•1 year ago
I mean they are commiting a genocide so that’s probably not great.
- upperleft ( @upperleft@sh.itjust.works ) English45•1 year ago
The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism, but I always found the China obsession on reddit to be odd. While I don’t think it should be banned outright, I think y’all ought to consider what is motivating such a weird fetish (because frankly that is) for a specific government.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English32•1 year ago
There are plenty of awful regimes around the world, but China is unique in how powerful and dangerous it is.
In particular, if China were to invade Taiwan, which it has a stated intention of doing, then the TSMC chip fabs—the only place on Earth capable of mass-producing modern electronic circuits—will almost certainly be destroyed in the fighting, and that will cause a global economic depression that’ll make 2008 look like a minor inconvenience. That’s a huge global threat.
- kukkurovaca ( @kukkurovaca@sh.itjust.works ) English30•1 year ago
I’m not a tankie and have no love for the government of China (or any government) but there is an extent to which criticism of China is deployed by xenophobes and nazis as a kind of socially acceptable rallying call or dog whistle. So, I’m all for criticizing China, but remember the allegory of the crustpunk bar
https://twitter.com/IamRageSparkle/status/1280892535024619522
- sharp ( @sharp@sh.itjust.works ) English10•1 year ago
I’ve always loved this allegory, but it can be applied to redfash as much as it can to xenophobes.
- cocobean ( @cocobean@sh.itjust.works ) English7•1 year ago
The CCP is literally rounding people up, putting them in camps, harvesting their organs, and working them to death. Wouldn’t they be the nazi in that story?
- kukkurovaca ( @kukkurovaca@sh.itjust.works ) English10•1 year ago
I’m referring to literal nazis, it’s not a figure of speech.
- Ergonomic_Keyboard ( @Ergonomic_Keyboard@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year ago
Thank you for posting that link, it was a good story.
- socialjusticewizard ( @socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
To me the key is, is the person upset about other imperialist powers in the world?
If they hate the CCP but never seem to criticize the US or Russia*, I have my doubts about their motivations.
*the russia one is less effective a gauge since the war started though. It’s now much more vogue to be anti-russia.
- OrdinaryCrackEnjoyer ( @OrdinaryCrackEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works ) English21•1 year ago
Yeah idk what could possibly be the motivator for that, I mean it’s not like they’re currently in the middle of any genocides right? Or posturing about invading a certain island neighbour? Nah no way, they’d never do that!
- upperleft ( @upperleft@sh.itjust.works ) English29•1 year ago
As i stated: “The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism”
There is a point at which the criticism becomes a weird fetish though, and that is something that was a common occurrence on reddit. Likely moreso tied to nationalist politics and rabble rousing foreign policy that I personally have a disdain for.
- 🇺🇦 seirim ( @administrator@lemmy.pro ) English28•1 year ago
As someone who lives in China, I’ll tell you your perspective on that isn’t wrong. People abroad too easily conflate what the Chinese govt. dues with Chinese people and “China”. Their concerns are all valid, but people grossly overestimate how much impact regular Chinese folks can have on their own govt.
How happy are people in the US with their govt and how much control they have over it? Not enough right, well the Chinese have even less. They’re even less engaged, though, oddly, but because the stakes for caring and speaking up are so high. People abroad probably rightly wish the average citizen constrained their own govt more, but the reality is they don’t have a way to do it, so they just focus on daily life. Also, they are in a misinformation bubble like crazy.
- zpoex ( @zpoex@sh.itjust.works ) English9•1 year ago
I think this is the best take in the thread.
Also, as someone who’s from there, it’s just pretty weird seeing folks on there saying “f the ccp” to each other, sometimes adding a “but not the chinese people tho”. Like what is the point of yall repeating this shit to each other. It makes me feel like I’m sort of excluded, and I think I cannot really have a more in-depth conversation with those people because I do not think they will really understand my situation and the world around me.
- upperleft ( @upperleft@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
You’ve really hit the nail on the head.
Do the anti CCPers really care about people? Or is it just a hate boner/we love freedom meme?
The way it comes off it’s like there really just isn’t any depth too it and it seems really performative with little real substance.
- 🇺🇦 seirim ( @administrator@lemmy.pro ) English3•1 year ago
Yeah, the reality is most online commenters haven’t been to China at all or for very much and their understanding of it is binary and Perry surface level. It’s a shame, really, but this goes across exposure to all cultures I think.
- rothaine ( @rothaine@beehaw.org ) English5•1 year ago
Having been subscribed to r/hongkong for the past few years, it was like seeing the government quash the voice of the people in real time. 😢
- 🇺🇦 seirim ( @administrator@lemmy.pro ) English8•1 year ago
Aye everything about Hong Kong is and was sad, I love that place so much.
- GarlicFries ( @GarlicFries@sh.itjust.works ) English15•1 year ago
Unusual to word it as a fetish. Would you say there’s a weird fetish for American focused criticism? Makes sense to me that the largest nations that have the most influence globally and all countries and companies have to tiptoe around garners the most focus and criticisms.
- skogens_ro ( @skogens_ro@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
Preoccupation perhaps? I’d say a lot of people on the have a preoccupation with US-focused criticism. Though I agree it makes sense that countries like the US and China garner a lot more attention than say, Czechia or Kyrgisistan.
It’s the extent of it that can get weird. It’s everywhere. A thread about a knife attack in France is not an appropriate place to dunk on American shooting statistics.
- upperleft ( @upperleft@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
I will say that I am personally more critical of the US, as I am an American, and therefore I feel personally responsible for the actions of my own government (even though I realistically have no personal control over it).
- Ergonomic_Keyboard ( @Ergonomic_Keyboard@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
Something about reading a person with no power feeling responsible for the practices of the upper echelons of power and control makes me feel sad. Like the propaganda worked or something. I feel like there’s a parallel to the environmental accountability. I can’t remember the name of the approach, but it’s very much a thing that:
Where one has power and control in minority, instead of dealing with it, make it seem as though the wide majority without power, control or benefit of X is in fact responsible for X, and they should feel bad and take accountability for X. Even though the unfortunate majority had no say in how the runnings of it were decided.
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- accountability evasion
- Responsibility diffusion
- passing the buck.
- CleoTheWizard ( @LimitedBrain@beehaw.org ) English6•1 year ago
It’s the largest nation in the world, I think that tends to bring a lot of attention.
- your_mind_aches ( @your_mind_aches@sh.itjust.works ) English19•1 year ago
There’s a crazy amount of sinophobia on Reddit, but let’s be clear, the people who fervently defend the Chinese government are being just as disingenuous.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
It’s not sinophobia to criticize the CCP. I haven’t seen anyone saying anything about the Chinese people. What’s more common is criticizing the CCP and its actions as the ruling party of China. I don’t think there’s generalized “sinophobia” as you claim.
- Jefe ( @Jefe@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year ago
The commenter above made it pretty clear that criticism of the government, i.e. the CCP isn’t the issue. The issue at hand is that there most definitely is casual racism on some very popular subreddits that are tolerated more than I’d like. Redditors have blindspots, just like anyone do, but their particular blindspots include casually racist attitudes towards Chinese people. I hope that you’re just lucky in the types of threads and subs you frequent, but I 1000% have seen more than just casual sinophobia that had nothing to do with criticizing their government.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
idk maybe i am indeed very lucky cuz i have not seen that, and instead have seen a lot of criticism against ccp being re-purposed as “sinophobia” by the genzedong community.
notice, for example, how we ended up talking about racism in a thread about criticizing the CCP. coincidence? i think not.
- Jefe ( @Jefe@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
I don’t really know who they are, but it’s still important to consider even if some bad actors also bring it up disingenuously. The alt-right likes to call everyone groomers now, that doesn’t mean grooming is a convenient smoke-screen that isn’t real.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
i don’t know what you’re talking about here. what’s important to consider? that criticizing the ccp may be racist? and what does the alt-right calling ppl groomers have to do with the topic? sorry i don’t see the connections here.
- Jefe ( @Jefe@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
I’m saying that it’s important to consider that just because disingenuous people call attention to something as a way to dismiss your argument, it does not mean it’s not real. It just means they know how to dismiss your argument really well.
What does that have to do with the alt-right? Because lately any time someone says that it’s not evil to be gay and that pride month isn’t some national holiday to turn everyone gay, instead of trying to defend their insane stance they just call you a pedophile or groomer and leave it at that. They don’t actually care about pedophiles or groomers, otherwise they’d actually do something about the church or conservative congress members either being investigated for or charged with sex crimes against minors. All that matters is whatever works to shut you up.
- carl_marks_ ( @carl_marks_@sh.itjust.works ) English15•1 year ago
Exactly. Chinese capitalism is currently threatening American capitalism, so American media and american society more generally demonizes it. China is willing to offer cheaper loans to 3rd world countries than any western countries and banks like the IMF. Of course, this is still exploitative imperialism, but it is slightly less bad than the west. China. Of course, China treats its workers terribly, but it at least tries to reinvest the surplus it takes from those workers into domestic production and infrastructure. Tankies love to depict China as ontologically good because it opposes american hegemony and has a rapidly growing economy. They ignore its imperialism and domestic exploitation. Redditors, American exceptionalists, and their ilk depict China as ontologically evil, a threat to world peace, the most totalitarian country imaginable. They of course ignore the comparably bad conditions of America’s puppet states and its domestic prison system. The reality is much more boring. Two capitalist nation states are fighting over their shares of the world market.
- pancakes ( @pancakes@sh.itjust.works ) English12•1 year ago
I’m not an American but it’s hard to equate these two countries. While I don’t love the US, you can’t deny that the CCP literally runs concentration camps…
- carl_marks_ ( @carl_marks_@sh.itjust.works ) English11•1 year ago
What would you call the places where the US detains immigrants? What would you call the enhanced interrogation techniques the US uses in guantanamo bay and CIA blacksites? What would you call the prisons where the US forces people to work without pay?
The US has used heavily militarized police and even tanks to crush civil unrest. The US doesn’t just threaten to invade a neighboring island (like china threatens to invade taiwan), the US actually has invaded neighboring islands such as Cuba, Haiti (multiple times), the Dominican Republic, etc. None of this justifies any of China’s actions, but it is important to know that nominally democratic nations can also act authoritarian.
- Barbarian ( @Barbarian@sh.itjust.works ) English9•1 year ago
I tentatively agree. The key to avoiding whataboutism is to make clear that you’re willing to call out abuses and human rights violations for both sides.
- kukkurovaca ( @kukkurovaca@sh.itjust.works ) English9•1 year ago
The US also runs concentration campus, has slave labor, forced sterilization, torture, genocide, violently repressive police, persecution of religious minorities, etc. etc. etc. Hence why it’s a red flag (no pun intended) when people in the west have A Lot To Say about China and just China.
::slaps top of any country:: you can fit so many human rights violations in this bad boy
(I have a lot more complaints about the US than China, but that’s because I live in the US, not because I think other imperial powers are exempt from criticism.)
- Jefe ( @Jefe@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
We do too. I’m sorry, but just because ours are callous and depressingly bureaucratic instead of passionate and angry, not having the intention of reeducating anyone, it doesn’t excuse the fact that even though Trump is no longer president we have refugee children dying in cramped cages, women and children being violated by ICE agents, and other human rights violations constantly and ongoing.
- CjkOvPDwQW ( @CjkOvPDwQW@lemmy.pt ) English1•1 year ago
Guantánamo…
- scrollbars ( @scrollbars@sh.itjust.works ) English13•1 year ago
Yup, the flip side of the coin is that reddit really has a hate boner for China. The anti-CCP side has its own collection of nutty people, with a lot of the talking points tracing back to the
cultnice people that send out all those Shen Yun flyers.Shit’s complicated. That said, banning all criticism of the Chinese government isn’t the answer. We need to be smarter about the information that we digest.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
You’re somehow implying that being an anti-ccp “fanatic” is basically crazy, and that people should reconsider their position… because… ? hate boner for china? what does disliking the CCP have to do with “hating china”?
- scrollbars ( @scrollbars@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
You can dislike the CCP without hating China, or being fanatical about it. There are people that have trouble with it, though. As an example you could say that the CCP sponsors campaigns of corporate espionage on a large scale to steal technology from other countries. That one is pretty uncontroversial. But some people have trouble preventing themselves from taking it further and making generalizations about how creative the country’s citizens are, as an example.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English4•1 year ago
I haven’t seen that. First time I see a suggestion such as that you’re mentioning, that the Chinese could be uncreative. I read lots of Chinese books all the time and if anything I’d say they’re more creative than western authors in many respects.
- scrollbars ( @scrollbars@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
Glad to hear, I’ve been meaning to pick up some Chinese sci-fi myself now that more of that stuff is getting translated.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
novelupdates.com has a lot of translations of asian novels in general, most terrible quality bc they’re done by amateurs but some are great, and sometimes it doesn’t matter cuz the stories themselves make up for the shitty translation.
- MoistBalls ( @MoistBalls@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
Honestly, you’ve got some recommendations? I’m actually more into non-fiction, but I really gotta start practicing my Chinese more. I wish more books adhered to the traditional character set and the top to bottom format though.
- scrollbars ( @scrollbars@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
Haha I can’t read a drop of Chinese, but the one that everyone tends to recommend as a gateway is The Three Body Problem by Liu Cixin. Haven’t read it yet but I did watch Wandering Earth on netflix, which is based on a short story by the same author.
- nLuLukna ( @nLuLukna@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
I think he’s talking about the people who don’t do anything but look for hateable things about the CCP
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
why should we look for likeable things about the ccp when they’re committing genocide? lmao. and why should we spend effort looking for likeable things about the ccp when they have millions of genzedongers around the world (example: lemmygrad.ml) to do it for them?
- can ( @can@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
I think instead we should balance it with posts appreciating Chinese culture. They have a long artistic and cultural history that goes way beyond the current gov.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
Thing is, I’m not talking about China or the Chinese people. If I say “CCP is committing genocide” am I talking in any way about “The Chinese People”?? I’m not. Talking shit about basically Hitler2.0 has absolutely nothing to do with The Chinese People. Why should I go around randomly yelling good stories about the Chinese culture any time I wanna talk shit about Xi Jinping or his posse of evil? Makes no sense right?
- can ( @can@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
You don’t have to, and I probably won’t either. It’s just a nice idea. Too many crazies take it too far into racism. (not you)
- nLuLukna ( @nLuLukna@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
No I’m not saying we should look for positives But aside from the big flashy stuff, you don’t need to spend hours search for CCP raised taxes in Tibet at one point 5 years ago to know that the CCP is an awful government.
That sort of hatred I suppose leads to the sentiment that Washington is a perfect government etc, its a political view that’s just as worthy of criticism as GZD, and also just as silly.
Now the CCP has done some horrible things and we SHOULD recognise them I think I’ve got my point across, there’s a difference between hating the CCP and HATING the CCP I guess.
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
I don’t HATE the ccp. I just hate reading support for it and for other communist tyrants. “oh but Marxism equality socialism ooh” sure commit genocide in the name of equality, get a Peace Nobel Price for eradicating an entire civilization, see if I’m gonna start thinking “oh but maybe I should be more lenient and think of the other side, I bet they also have good traits teehee”.
- nLuLukna ( @nLuLukna@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
I do hate the CCP, I don’t need to spend every waking moment finding more evdience I already know they are awful. Between the on going genocide and the several of things they have done to retain power. Absolute power corrupts absolutely
- Socsa ( @Socsa@sh.itjust.works ) English4•1 year ago
It really isn’t that complicated. If Chinese politics is to be taken seriously, then there is a ton of low hanging liberal fruit for the picking. There is no reason for the Chinese legal system to not have public trial, for starters. There is no reason for China to censor the internet or speech or free association the way it does. And most importantly, there is no reason for China to not confront the very real sins of Mao and Deng in public.
I agree there is complexity which exists beyond this kind of stuff. But these are first principles for free society, and political agency, and should be taken seriously.
- scrollbars ( @scrollbars@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year ago
I’m sympathetic to what you listed, and it would be nice to see those things come to pass. I’m just cynical about anything that starts to sound like “regime change” after watching the US campaigns in the middle east these past couple decades.
Even though Tiananmen was a long time ago, there have been more recent cracks in the facade like the unrest over lingering COVID zero policies. It’s encouraging to know that people do have limits, but I don’t know how popular those sentiments are across the broader population.
- socialjusticewizard ( @socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
It’s always nice to hear from someone else that recognizes how similar all this saber rattling is to the buildup to the first iraq war. All of a sudden after years of radio silence, everyone seems to care really deeply about the situation in another country.
- peotr26 ( @peotr26@sh.itjust.works ) English41•1 year ago
https://sh.itjust.works/c/fucktheccp hasn’t been banned yet, so I guess yes.
- Chef Rat ( @ljubashin@sh.itjust.works ) English14•1 year ago
Also lemmygrad is blocked here. As a person born in eastern block, fuck communism and tankies.
- can ( @can@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
What do you think of this video on Eastern Europe from my favourite Hungarian YouTuber?
- Chef Rat ( @ljubashin@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
We’ll it’s all true but there are some smaller differences, I live in ex Yugoslav country which was in eastern block but more liberal than Soviet puppet states.
Most people aren’t racist or xenophobic (except Balkan rule: hate thy neighbor). We are just an extremely introverted and paranoid society, that’s why many empires fell around our people. We never had any colonies because our people were used as labour for other empires, so we never developed a superiority complex to other races.
We’re just anarchy that’s preserved through community.
- can ( @can@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
That’s interesting. Thank you for sharing your perspective. As a paranoid and anxious person I can empathize with a whole society with this issues.
- snakesnakewhale ( @snakesnakewhale@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
We’re just anarchy that’s preserved through community.
I like that.
- Album ( @Album@sh.itjust.works ) English34•1 year ago
This is why I didn’t make an account on lemmy.ml. I check to make sure instances I join have banned lemmygrad.
- Ergonomic_Keyboard ( @Ergonomic_Keyboard@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
How do you check this? And is it banned via the instance “sh.itjust.works” for example, or is it banned via the “subreddit” equivalent, for want of the accurate name?
- InfiniteVariables ( @InfiniteVariables@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
Scroll to the bottom of the page and click ‘instances’
- Ergonomic_Keyboard ( @Ergonomic_Keyboard@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
Wow, there are so many instances. One day there’ll need to be some method of recording various biases within it.
I’m glad that’s not my responsibility!- bosse ( @bosse@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
Some of those are Mastodon instances where someone has subscribed to a community on your server
- Ergonomic_Keyboard ( @Ergonomic_Keyboard@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
I understand some of those words. But together, that means little.
If only I could figure out how dinasaurs were related to this…
- lee ( @lee@sh.itjust.works ) English1•1 year ago
If I make an American instance would that help? I mean anyone can make an instance.
- lee ( @lee@sh.itjust.works ) English34•1 year ago
Yo, fuck the CCP!!! If sh.itjust.works doesn’t like it I’m out
- sharp ( @sharp@sh.itjust.works ) English33•1 year ago
Hate to see tankies running the software and big parts of the platform.
- Camus ( @V4uban@beehaw.org ) English26•1 year ago
I wouldn’t even say “big parts of the platform”. Beehaw, Lemmy.world, sh.itjust.works have large enough userbases now to counterbalance Lemmy.ml
- deva ( @deva@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
The biggest communities are still local to lemmy.ml though (for now)
- Camus ( @V4uban@beehaw.org ) English9•1 year ago
2nd and 3rd from the top 3 are on Beehaw: https://lemmy.directory/communities/listing_type/All/page/1
- deva ( @deva@sh.itjust.works ) English4•1 year ago
Still 7 of top 10 are lemmy.ml… but yeah, glad to see beehaw growing! When I tried to sign up there it never worked :<
- sneakyninjapants ( @sneakyninjapants@sh.itjust.works ) English4•1 year ago
I think beehaw is getting absolutely hammered rn, I feel kind of bad for their operators. It was one of the two instances recommended when I started considering moving to lemmy.
- randomperson ( @randomperson@lemmy.world ) English1•1 year ago
Fortunately that’s where federation helps. I just hope they will add option for user (and not only admins) to block whole instances.
- root ( @root@lemmy.belclayfer.net ) English31•1 year ago
Ooof the admins are weighing in on that linked thread at lemmy.ml and it’s not a good look if you are in favor of human rights
- can ( @can@sh.itjust.works ) English6•1 year ago
Which admins? Lemmy.ml ones?
- LlamaSutra ( @LlamaSutra@sh.itjust.works ) English27•1 year ago
The great thing about Lemmy is that it’s all decentralized. Lemmy.ml mods and admins can’t do anything about other instances
- Tree6024 ( @Tree6024@sh.itjust.works ) English4•1 year ago
Technically correct, much like you can’t do anything about what your neighbour does in their own home.
However, what sh.itjust.works and lemmy.ml can do is block ‘bad server’ communication.
They can also enforce rules on their own ‘home’ as it were.
- Camus ( @V4uban@beehaw.org ) English26•1 year ago
Lemmy.ml and Lemmygrad.ml are the two only instances where I encountered such criticism, so I assume that sh.itjust.works would allow it
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English26•1 year ago
yes, just post your anti-ccp shit here dude it’s free dude dude free it’s free dude
- TendieMaster69 ( @TendieMaster69@sh.itjust.works ) English23•1 year ago
fuck xi jinping dude yes dude it’s free dude https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
only fair to also get a bit of america criticism in too fuck trump fuck biden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year ago
omg fuck those ppl omg dude wow dude rude to kill, so disrespectful
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year ago
- TendieMaster69 ( @TendieMaster69@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
We achieved success https://sh.itjust.works/post/39615
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English3•1 year ago
very success sir!!
hope your legacy remains https://sh.itjust.works/post/39653
also you’re a mod now
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
kent state shootings are from 1970, idk who was in charge back then but it wasn’t trumpbiden sad sad who do we say fuck to idk im not american
- TendieMaster69 ( @TendieMaster69@sh.itjust.works ) English7•1 year ago
- God ( @god@sh.itjust.works ) English2•1 year ago
ah ic, watergate seems unlinked to case, but i see the timeline matches, ty ty
- JohnDClay ( @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ) English16•1 year ago
Host is from Canada and the rules don’t mention anything, so I would assume it’s fine. Anyone know the host’s account name to ask them?
- neverbeenbretter ( @neverbeenbretter@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year ago
Not sure yet how to ping an account, but his handle is TheDude. I’d really like to know his stance on this too.
- JohnDClay ( @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works ) English5•1 year ago
Maybe try @TheDude?