I imagine users go poof. Are their profiles stored in other federated instances? Is there a way to recover them or “import from backup” onto another instance?
If they don’t have an e-mail I imagine you can’t even notify them or authenticate them elsewhere so this “import from backup” even if technically feasible (idk if it is) would be impossible in practice due to authentication issues.
And communities, can you even notify all your subscribers to move to the “backup community” on another instance? I saw yesterday that a Mastodon server host said “I’m deleting this instance in 2 days” or something like that and I started wondering how shit would go on Lemmy.
This is pretty significant and needs addressing. There has to be a way of backing up and transferring data to another instance or, once a large instance goes down, I feel a lot of people will jump ship.
Followed because I am also interested in knowing.
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I can’t speak about kbin & Lemmy, however for Mastodon and Calckey there is a feature to export your user data and posts. You can then retain these for reference. Currently there is no ability to import them to a new instance – the technical reason for this is beyond me, but I believe it’s related to the UID of the posts as it is shared across the Fediverse.
People are working on solutions, and I have tested one which works well for Mastodon.
It’s very important to have the ability to extract your own data and move
Best would be if there is an app, that would do backups of your posts and content automatically, that if, for whatever reason, the instance goes down. You have first all of your data saved and second you could import it fast onto another instance.
The devs need to add an account migration feature so that you can export your account to another instance.
Like, when you switch email providers, you just download all your emails and then set up a redirect so people emailing you go to your new account. It should be the same on Lemmy. I hope they add this feature, but I’m sure the devs are really busy right now trying to make sure lemmy.ml doesn’t go down tomorrow.
yeah i’ve been seeing devs just scaling up massively and still getting hugs of death, pretty fun to watch, probably very much not as fun to experience first-hand. I’ve had servers die to hugs of death and it’s a very stressful experience.
Yeah, must be a very stressful weekend for them as things escalate over at Reddit.
It doesn’t sound like the tier 2 instances (aka not lemmy.ml) are very hard to run at least. Lemmy.world said that they’re only using a single 8vcpu/32GB VPS.
thanks! my server is smaller than that, thinking of setting one up but kinda bored about it cuz i also have a very busy job and i’m poor so spending money and time on servering would be a bit counter-productive to my current pursuits
on the other hand, it sounds fun, so i might do it anyway for the kekkities
I’m setting up a Kubernetes config to make it easy to set up and scale, at the moment actually! I’m hoping that it helps lower the barrier to entry for people to run their own personal instances.
I would say that hosting a public instance is a very big commitment though, since any users that sign up are depending on you to keep it running indefinitely.
If the owner has a backup, you can always recover the instance, but otherwise everything is lost. That’s the downside of federation I guess.
Is there anything I can do as a user to make sure I don’t get Thanos’ed out of existence if the owner of an instance decides he’s shutting down?
I’m afraid not, short of running your own instance. Hopefully Lemmy will support user data export some day.
posts that have been federated to other instances will be recoverable I would think
is ur pfp AI?
also agreed and thank u for the info, waiting for someone to make an export plugin or something, im not the best suited for it cuz i know 0% Golang.
The admin giveth, the admin taketh away.
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Poof, all gone.