Fastmail and proton mail are usually recommended when this question comes up among technical groups.
I use Proton as well and it’s been great, but setting up their bridge for IMAP access in a way that worked for my setup was needlessly annoying (run on a headless server and access it from other devices within the network and docker containers on said server).
I’ve been thinking about setting it up on my server to access it with several devices too, since I’m using their default client for now. Do they have a Docker image that’s easy to set up? I wish I could access it from anywhere by exposing it on my domain name, but I’m pretty sure that’d not be the best security wise…
I would never expose it outside my network. The password used for authentication is too easy to brute force. If you really want to access it from anywhere, set it up for access within your network and then maybe use a VPN tunnel for devices outside the network. But anyway, setting up local access is problematic because it binds to localhost and gives you no option to change the binding address. There are several ways around this:
- Set it up behind a reverse proxy (I didn’t want to bother with this)
- Build the bridge from source after changing the binding address in the source code see https://github.com/ProtonMail/proton-bridge/pull/270 (seemed like the best option, but then I decided option 3 was better)
- Easiest option in my opinion: Set up local port forwarding with a redirection tool like rinetd, bind it to 0.0.0.0, only allow local IPs (you’d need port forwarding to access from outside anyway, but…), and redirect traffic from a particular port to the IMAP/SMTP server ports, for example:
0.0.0.0 1142 127.0.0.1 1143(bindaddress bindport connectaddress connectport); last step was to set it up as a systemd service.
I went with the third option and it seemed like so much hassle for such a simple requirement, honestly. If you decide you want to do this, feel free to ask for my configuration files.
Yeah, the password is the one thing I was worried about. I already have a VPN set up so I might just go with that for external access.
Since I already have a reverse proxy I might go with option 1, seems like the easiest to set up! If it doesn’t work that well I’ll go with option 3! Thanks a lot!
- ∟⊔⊤∦∣≶ ( @luthis@lemmy.nz ) 3•1 year ago
Also using Proton, it’s been fine
Just switched the Mailserver for my domain to proton (they offer hosting on custom domains), the email service is pretty good after you set things up.
Sadly, their other cloud services Lack Integration.
If you Google it, you’ll see that it’s Gmail.
Hope I was able to help.
You are welcome.
There’s a lot of great options out there that aren’t Gmail.
Hmm seems like most people didn’t get it.
I’ve been using mailbox.org for years and they’re great. I also like that they are following both German and EU rules/principles
Also using for many years with custom domain. They also support Caldav/Carddav which is great for using with software like Thunderbird.
+1 for mailbox.org. I’ve been with them for years
I am using mailbox too and am very happy with them.
The one that comes free with my domain registrar.
I also like Riseup but it needs an invite. I also like mail alias services like SimpleLogin and AnonAddy. People should use those more often.
I don’t like how Gmail’s tagging system works (All Mail and no “archive”). As for Proton and Tuta, I don’t like how I can’t use other mail clients other than their own web interface. If you only access mail via a web browser, then it’s fine I guess.
If you pay for Protonmail you can use their apps and desktop bridge to use any desktop email client you like
migadu
Migadu is good. Have also been happy with Runbox.
proton and tutanota come to mind first, proton seems to be going for an integrated ecosystem of apps (vpn, cloud storage, password manager etc.) so it might be a good choice if you want to move away from google’s ecosystem. it is all personal preference though, some people don’t like the idea of putting too much trust on one entity and i can’t blame them
I got tired of all the problems with providers and learned how to run my own mail server twenty years ago. Certainly not an option for most people but I would never go back to relying on someone else for something I can do at home.
I’d rather rely on someone else, I think it’s unlikely that Gmail, outlook, protonmail, etc would go down without me hearing about it. I can’t afford to have my emails bounce for days until I both realise its happening and have the time to figure out the problem and fix it.
If you want to attach your own domain, I’ve been using Zoho and having no significant issue (although I haven’t really tried anything else). Otherwise, Apple’s seems to be the best value, surprisingly?
I’ve also been using Zoho for a couple of years now and am quite happy, especially considering the low price.
The only annoyance I’ve had is how many menus/pages they have in their web admin. Always takes me a while to find the right page where I can add an email alias to be able to send mails from or to generate an app specific password.
That’s a good point, I do find the UI a bit confusing too.
I’m using Hey, and while there are some issues with the company (namely, the CEO enacting some shitty employee policies during the pandemic), their email service is great.
Particularly, I love their email allowlist. Whenever you get an email from a new sender for the first time, you have the option to allow or deny their emails from then on. I used to always have thousands of unread emails when I was on Gmail (most things just routing to an unused “Newsletter” folder), but now, pretty much every email I get is one that I actually want to read.
It’s a paid service, and tbh debatable whether or not it’s worth the price, but the screening feature singlehandedly makes it worthwhile for me.
I also use Hey. It’s fantastic. I hardly get any mail now.
I switched from Hey to Onmail because it’s basically Hey without the douchey CEO. Also I was an early onmail adopter so I have my first name for an email.
It has a free tier but I pay for it. I switched away from gmail because I wanted my email to be a service I’m the customer of that I pay for, rather than me being the product.
I wondered if folks were still using Hey. I use the iOS app Spark for managing my email, it has a similar “allow list” for new senders. Agreed it’s super helpful.
To be fair though, I’m also pretty reluctant to change emails. I switched everything over, and while it sounds like you can emulate the allowlist with other services, I reeeally don’t want to switch yet again :/
Yeah totally fair, changing email is a huge pain!
Onmail is pretty awesome. You get 10gb free and it has a function where you have to approve first contacts. Very easy way to block spammers.
I use it to get mail from two other accounts.
I have used proton before and it’s fine but the one annoyance is that it treats mail in trash as archived mail, which means that you get a lot of: there is deleted mail in this thread.
Nice thanks for sharing, haven’t heard about onmail before.
Most welcome. Hope you check it out!
I use Posteo myself. Similar to Mailbox, $1 a month and I haven’t had any issues.
