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Voters want change, but still remain unsatisfied with their options
- juergen_hubert ( @juergen_hubert@kbin.social ) 50•1 year ago
I feel that it should be pointed out that Trump is also a fascist.
- zelet ( @zelet@kbin.social ) 46•1 year ago
And old
- ArugulaZ ( @ArugulaZ@kbin.social ) 16•1 year ago
He’s the total package! Like, the kind of package you’d set on fire and leave on a neighbor’s porch.
- IninewCrow ( @IninewCrow@kbin.social ) 32•1 year ago
It’s the state of politics that the wealthy elite owners of the country absolutely enjoy
Voters no longer vote for who they want
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
- Izzgo ( @Izzgo@kbin.social ) 10•1 year ago
They vote for the best of the worst that is given to them
Nothing new about that.
- Bojimbo ( @Bojimbo@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
I was a lot less worried about Mitt Romney.
- parrot-party ( @parrot-party@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
Romney was a corporate stooge, but at least you knew it was just going to be more rich get richer shit. This new variety is deadset on torturing people instead of just making them poor.
- iAmTheTot ( @iAmTheTot@kbin.social ) 4•1 year ago
Not even best. Many people vote purely against the thing they don’t want, rather than voting for the thing they do want.
- DellSalami ( @DellSalami@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
This is how the conservative base has been voting for decades.
- Maeve ( @Maeve@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
And low information, single (wedge) issue voters. So many liberals voted against abortion.
- holo_nexus ( @holo_nexus@kbin.social ) 21•1 year ago
There has not been a time for ripe in modern times for a strong 3rd party candidate. To bad the whole system is rigged against it.
- CoWizard ( @CoWizard@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
3rd party, on a national scale, is guaranteed to fail in fptp. The only one who wins in fptp is the least hated (of 2) candidate. 3rd party votes just suck votes that could be voted against that most hated candidate
- iAmTheTot ( @iAmTheTot@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
This isn’t inherently a failure of first past the post, this is a failure of human psychology.
- CoderKat ( @CoderKat@kbin.social ) 5•1 year ago
No, it’s definitely a FPTP failure. If you have progressive third party candidate who mostly attracts voters who would otherwise have voted Democrat, it splits the vote. Even if the majority of people voted for either the third party or the Democrat candidate (let’s say 30% each), the Republican candidate would get win even with 60% of people not wanting them.
I suspect you’re thinking of people being afraid to vote third party and thus dooming the third party to lose, but the fallacy of that is assuming that everyone would genuinely vote for the third party over other candidates, which isn’t the case. Articles like the one we’re commenting on are only pointing out the most common belief.
- DH Clapp ( @dhc02@beehaw.org ) 4•1 year ago
First past the post voting systems prevent viable third parties because of human psychology. Why are we pretending to argue about how we phrase this?
- Maeve ( @Maeve@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
If everyone do preferred a third party candidate actually voted third party, that would change. That’s just another establishment talking point.
- hiyaaaaa23 ( @hiyaaaaa23@kbin.social ) 7•1 year ago
Fascist, criminal, or geezer.
Ngl I know which one I’m picking (the old fart).
- lunar_parking ( @lunar_parking@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
Totally normal “democracy”, working very well. 🙃
- Sterile_Technique ( @Sterile_Technique@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
At this point, I’d be in favor of just asking 9 first-graders what their favorite single digit number is, and granting the position of POTUS to whoever’s social security number matches the one they generated.
But, given our current options I’d take a clueless old man over a lucid fascist in a fuckin’ heart beat. How is this really being presented as a dilemma? Would you rather have your house a bit too chili, or burn the whole thing down? Sure I don’t like either option, but deciding which one’s better kinda plays out like those cheesy banking commercials.
- usualsuspect191 ( @usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ) 1•1 year ago
I’m actually unironically in favour of some sort of Sortition for political positions, or at the very least a proportion of them. Random people would take it more seriously and listen to experts to do the maybe less popular but correct things when not seeking power or re-election.
- Sterile_Technique ( @Sterile_Technique@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
Same, with the obvious caveat that some vetting would be necessary so we don’t just hand the keys of the country to some Nazi (not that we aren’t electing those anyway, but still…)
- HubertManne ( @HubertManne@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
wait wait wait. so trump isn’t to old!!!
- CookieJarObserver ( @CookieJarObserver@feddit.de ) 2•1 year ago
Maybe there should be a sane person… Not a Grandpa, a criminal and a criminally insane nazi person…
- Ronno ( @Ronno@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
Heck, I am not even American, and I think this too
- legume1096 ( @legume1096@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
DeSantis won Florida’s 2022 gubernatorial election with 60% of the vote. If somehow Trump isn’t able to run for the presidency it’s a landslide victory for DeSantis v Biden.
- The_Empty_Tuple ( @The_Empty_Tuple@kbin.social ) 16•1 year ago
DeSantis’ faltering popularity in the GOP race shows that whatever is popular in Florida isn’t necessarily popular everywhere else. I don’t think it’s a guarantee Biden loses to DeSantis, if it comes to that.
- sensibilidades ( @sensibilidades@kbin.social ) 14•1 year ago
There are, in fact, other states besides Florida.
- hrimfaxi_work ( @hrimfaxi_work@midwest.social ) 12•1 year ago
It’s impossible to know that for sure.
- FarFarAway ( @FarFarAway@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
Personally, i think it had to do with his opponent. Everyone said the Democrat candidate was shite.
- mjhrrs ( @mjhrrs@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
Wait, Trump is no longer fascist?
- FarFarAway ( @FarFarAway@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
Not as fascist as desantis.
Trump had fascist tendencies, desantis is trying it out in practice.