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KOSA is a bill that aims to protect children online but it would do so in harmful ways. First, it would pressure platforms to install content filters that would censor large amounts of content, including important suicide prevention and LGBTQ+ support resources. Content filters have a history of overblocking important information. Second, KOSA would ramp up online surveillance of all users by expanding age verification and parental monitoring tools. These tools are unnecessarily invasive and pose risks to young people trying to escape abuse. Over 90 rights groups agree that KOSA is dangerous and cannot be fixed through amendments. If you value a free and open internet, contact your lawmakers to reject KOSA.
- Storksforlegs ( @storksforlegs@beehaw.org ) 99•1 year ago
“Protect the children” is the new “fight terror”. Big empty phrases that only end up taking away rights and targeting minorities.
- Erk ( @Erk@cdda.social ) 23•1 year ago
True, but not new. It’s been this since before “fight terror” in fact.
- Zorque ( @Zorque@kbin.social ) 7•1 year ago
It’s coined as the “Helen Lovejoy Syndrome” after a Simpson’s episode from the nineties.
- Altima NEO ( @altima_neo@lemmy.zip ) 6•1 year ago
Won’t somebody please think of the children?
- Omgpwnies ( @Omgpwnies@lemmy.ninja ) English5•1 year ago
“The war on drugs” has entered the chat
- Erk ( @Erk@cdda.social ) English2•1 year ago
Won’t someone please think of the children?!
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
If I recall correctly, that began because white men were afraid that non-white men would rape their wives. I’m not exactly sure how banning drugs was supposed to help, though.
- Storksforlegs ( @storksforlegs@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
Yes, true. I guess its more of a shitty comeback, worse than before.
- Hot Saucerman ( @dingus@lemmy.ml ) 14•1 year ago
Always has been.
Mighty convenient how so many of these “protect the children” groups end up with kiddie diddlers on staff.
https://news.yahoo.com/alabama-anti-abortion-advocate-charged-190424945.html
- prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) 12•1 year ago
Possibly even worse since it’s very often used as a cover for CSA. Not just minorities in this case that are being harmed, we’re talking about literal children. It’s fucking horrific.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
CSA?
- PostmodernPythia ( @PostmodernPythia@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
Child sexual abuse
- P1r4nha ( @P1r4nha@feddit.de ) 10•1 year ago
“Fight terror” has only really be an excuse since 9/11. Before they had others including protecting children. Only the anti-trans stuff is newish.
- swnt ( @swnt@feddit.de ) 81•1 year ago
protect children online
I’ve yet to see any single new law proposal, that actually tackles this problem rather than misusing it’s emotional trigger to get acceptance for surveillance and control
- prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) 29•1 year ago
Meanwhile… child labor protections? Who needs em? Protections against child marriage (or let’s call it what it is, rape)? They’ll be fine. God wills it, after all, and it’s in the Bible (or so they’re told, very few of them actually read it).
Meanwhile, actual abuse is happening constantly in the Catholic (and others) church, and what do they do? Just shuffle 'em around a little bit. They “repented”, so that means we can leave him alone with kids in Montana now instead of New Mexico. Problem solved! Thank the lord!
These fuckers have zero interest in actually protecting children, and for a good chunk of them, they’re actively working toward the exact opposite.
- zergling_man ( @zergling_man@lemmy.perthchat.org ) 73•1 year ago
- 001100 010010 ( @001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English59•1 year ago
Why is there always an authoritarian law being proposed every month?
- Axolotling ( @Axolotling@beehaw.org ) English42•1 year ago
Because we’ve hit the point of capitalism where the system is imploding on itself, and so those in power turn to fascism in order to protect their capital.
- P1r4nha ( @P1r4nha@feddit.de ) English13•1 year ago
Rights for everyone when there’s a boom, cracking down on rights when the cake stops growing.
- prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year ago
we’ve hit the point of capitalism where…
Oh, you mean its literal inception? This shit never worked.
- Fylkir ( @Fylkir@lemmy.sdf.org ) English8•1 year ago
That’s kinda historically illiterate. The reason people tolerated Capitalism in the first place was that it smashed old forms of oppression and replaced them with less bad forms of oppression.
- prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) English2•1 year ago
Being marginally better than feudalism isn’t a very high bar.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English2•1 year ago
What does this have to do with capitalism?
- Axolotling ( @Axolotling@beehaw.org ) English10•1 year ago
When people are starting to starve and there are no more monkeys that can entertain the masses, the spirit of rebellion starts to rise from the ashes.
So the established powers that be have two options: violently suppress the masses. Or acquiesce some level of control, power, or ultimately capital.
The powers that be would rather die than give up their money. So fascism it is!
- Silviecat44 ( @Silviecat44@aussie.zone ) 1•1 year ago
Very dark and edgy 👏 Heres your award 🥇
- Axolotling ( @Axolotling@beehaw.org ) 7•1 year ago
Well excuse me for trying to write an entertaining explanation while the earth is burning down from unchecked capitalist greed.
I guess people just aren’t allowed to have fun anymore :/
Here’s your award for being a boring and unhelpful person 🥇
- aeternum ( @aeternum@kbin.social ) 19•1 year ago
Because someone has to care about the children.Don’t you care about the children? The chidlren. CHILDREN!
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
Well, yes, I do care about the children. That’s why I want these legislators to stop trying to harm them.
- DontMakeMoreBabies ( @DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social ) 11•1 year ago
Because some folks really seem to like power? And emotion is a solid button to press because a lot of folks are irrational monkeys.
Edit: most - > a lot of
- CuriousG ( @curiousgoo@beehaw.org ) 13•1 year ago
I like the phrase “Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
KOSA is not the only thing one should be worried about, illiterates from UK are bringing in an Online Safety Bill which needs all services with encryption to provide a backdoor for the UK government under the reasoning of “monitoring for CSAM content”.
This doesn’t just impact UK citizens, but will do for the world.
If I recall correctly, Australia did something similar.
Interesting to see how the 5-eyes try to push similar dumb ideas together.
- aeternum ( @aeternum@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
Australia did something recently, yes. It’s called the AA Bill. And it allows for the government to demand a worker put a backdoor in to an encryption product. The absolutely stupid thing is that if the government does this, the worker can’t tell a soul about it for fear of prison. If (when) it comes up in code review, they’re still not allowed to tell anyone. If they do, it’s straight off to prison. Where does it stop. I was hopeful that tech companies would abandon australia when this happened, but they didn’t. They just rolled over and took it up the arse pipe. Fucking hell. This is a good write up
That’s not even mentioning what google is trying to do currently.
- TriStar ( @tristar@lemmyfly.org ) English2•1 year ago
What in the name of fuck is that bill. That’s one of the worst pieces of legislation I’ve seen in a longer while. Companies and open source communities will immediately catch that an employee is trying to sabotage their system on behalf of the government by means of code review and version control history. The programmer will be questioned, then likely fired or ostracized in case of open source works and the code will hit the bin. This idiotic… thing will accomplish nothing but harm their own citizens who will now be treated like potential therats and denied employment opportunities.
On a funnier note, every time Australia introduces some horrible tech-related bill I remember this beautiful clip summarising just how well politicians understand technology.
- sour ( @sour@kbin.social ) 4•1 year ago
‘murica gets worse
- donut4ever ( @donut4ever@lemm.ee ) 26•1 year ago
WHY ARE “THE CHILDREN” ONLINE!!! Where are their fucking parents?
- Hot Saucerman ( @dingus@lemmy.ml ) 31•1 year ago
Overworked, underpaid, and relying on technology to distract the kids. Not a lot different from 80’s and 90’s parents, except you know, poorer and more time-strapped.
- donut4ever ( @donut4ever@lemm.ee ) 4•1 year ago
Same here, overworked and underpaid, two kids. Neither has a smartphone nor has access to any social media site beside kids YouTube and Netflix. I meant kids shouldn’t be on social media, in my original comment. I always utilize the iPad for my daughter when I’m working or need her to sit so I can get shit done. My son, who’s the oldest, doesn’t have a phone yet. He has two gaming consoles, neither of them has online access for multiplayer. That’s what I mean by why are kids on the internet.
- Hot Saucerman ( @dingus@lemmy.ml ) 4•1 year ago
Not trying to dog on other parents, but just like when I was growing up a lot of parents either didn’t know/didn’t care what their kids were watching on TV, and didn’t make a lot of effort to control it. Many parents now are sadly similar in not paying attention to their kids’ internet habits.
You’re being a good parent. I don’t know why other people struggle with this idea. In my opinion, you should just be proud of yourself and disappointed in other parents who don’t take the same measures.
I will say those other parents make it difficult, though. My sister had to drop a lot of her parental controls eventually because her kids would go to friends’ houses with unrestricted internet access, and you just can’t control that. Even if you are involved with what your kids watch at home, once they are out of your eyesight and with other people, they can get access. Anyway, denying them access was causing more fights between her and her kids than it was worth. They saw that other kids had unrestricted access, and they wanted that, too. On the plus side, they were already 14 by this time, but still, it became a huge headache because other parents didn’t care.
Anyway once again, good on you, mate. Keep being a thoughtful and involved parent, we need more of y’all.
- donut4ever ( @donut4ever@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
Thank you. The key thing is that I didn’t make it “I’m your parent and I control your life”, no, I reasoned with him and explained to him whatever we do. I have built a very good friendship with my son that he trusts me when I do something for him. I’ll never make him feel that I control his life or what he does on the PC, I’ve just made him aware of things. Not gonna lie, though, we do have one strict rule, no social media of any kind. Also, I’m too lazy to type all of this again, but here is my response to another commenter when they asked if my kid has a social life in real life (basically, they were worried that I’m caging my kids lol).
No, I have them both locked up in a cage in the middle of the Pacific ocean 😂 My friend, there is a whole world out there beside this virtual one (internet). My son goes outside all the time to play with his friends IN PERSON. Rides his bike with them, does sleep overs and whatever we did back in the day when we were kids. He just doesn’t have any social media accounts. I have a full Linux PC sitting in his bedroom that he can do whatever he wants on. I just make sure he’s safe on there. I have a firewall on there and an ad blocker on the browser. My daughter is special needs, so, that’s another story :)
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
Please tell me your kids have some other form of social interaction.
I was bullied real bad in school, so if not for online access, I would have had basically no one to talk to besides my parents.
- donut4ever ( @donut4ever@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
No, I have them both locked up in a cage in the middle of the Pacific ocean 😂 My friend, there is a whole world out there beside this virtual one (internet). My son goes outside all the time to play with his friends IN PERSON. Rides his bike with them, does sleep overs and whatever we did back in the day when we were kids. He just doesn’t have any social media accounts. I have a full Linux PC sitting in his bedroom that he can do whatever he wants on. I just make sure he’s safe on there. I have a firewall on there and an ad blocker on the browser. My daughter is special needs, so, that’s another story :)
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 6•1 year ago
I was online as a child. It’s normal. Get used to it. Quit trying to break the Internet over it. Kids aren’t delicate little flowers. No one’s head exploded over seeing Lenna’s nipple. (Not their big head, anyway…)
- donut4ever ( @donut4ever@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
I was, too, but agree with me or disagree, the intern back then wasn’t as bad as it is right now.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 4•1 year ago
Maybe so, but that’s not because of the availability of porn, gore, or shady characters to chat with, all of which were already plentiful in the '90s. It’s because of things like money-sucking video games targeted at kids, and unless I’m mistaken, KOSA does exactly diddly squat about it.
- orca ( @orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts ) 23•1 year ago
These bills are going to keep coming. The goal is erosion of rights and privacy at all costs.
- Hot Saucerman ( @dingus@lemmy.ml ) 11•1 year ago
My entire life, they have never, ever once stopped trying to push the same bullshit through, over and over and over.
- prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) 10•1 year ago
It’s so goddamn exhausting. A constant battle of attrition.
I’m just tired… When do I get to just enjoy my life?
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 4•1 year ago
When the populace collectively grows a brain and replaces these clowns with someone honest. People voted for these legislators, keep in mind.
It’s not like there aren’t already a lot of people trying to vote better people in, it just never seems to be enough… ~Strawberry
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
Exactly. Not enough. They are not the majority.
- DontMakeMoreBabies ( @DontMakeMoreBabies@kbin.social ) 15•1 year ago
People need to take more responsibility for their kids - if you let them online, you’d better fucking understand what that entails and if not (gasp!) don’t let them on the internet.
And if that’s impossible for someone then why the fuck did they reproduce in the first place?
- 🐝bownage [they/he] ( @bownage@beehaw.org ) 9•1 year ago
Because reproduction is a lot easier than education
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 5•1 year ago
Because their god told them to reproduce and not question it.
Religion is a hell of a drug.
- zerkrazus ( @zerkrazus@kbin.social ) 9•1 year ago
Same thing with banning books. This is fascist bullshit and it’s not about protecting children or anyone else. It’s about pushing their false Christianity, their christofascism on everyone whether they like it or not and trying to turn the country into a fascist “Christian” theocractic dictatorship where they can say and do whatever they want whenever they want about anything or anyone but no one else can.
- prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) 6•1 year ago
I was with you til the “false” part. As someone who grew up in a sect that actually read the book, ain’t nothing false about this Christianity or these Christians.
It’s inconvenient to admit, but the bible is an awful awful book.
- zerkrazus ( @zerkrazus@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
I have actually read it cover to cover as well. But just because something is written in a book doesn’t make it true. The genre of fiction exists. And the very concept of religion, all of them are made up. As in there was a time in the history of Earth where no religion existed. Dinosaurs didn’t have religion for example, and they came before humans, who created religion.
Jesus, whom they claim to love/worship/etc., would be labeled a dirty commie/socialist by them for wanting to help the poor, sick, and needy. And for loving everyone. They hate Jesus. They worship supply side Jesus AKA Republican Jesus.
- prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
I think maybe you misread (looking back my comment wasn’t worded great). I don’t believe anything in the Bible is true.
What I’m saying is that they are acting consistently with their faith. Jesus said
a lot ofsome cool stuff, but it doesn’t erase all of the horrific shit that their god did before, and how their god tells them to act. And don’t forget their god is literally also Jesus. The guy who killed every first born Jew in Egypt (unless you performed a blood magick ritual), and ruined the life of his most faithful servant, killing his family in the process, just to make a point to “the devil”. The guy who almost made his #1 prophet murder his own son just for the lulz.That’s Jesus too. And any Christian who disagrees is a heretic.
And no, Jesus didn’t “replace” the old law or whatever bullshit people like to tell themselves. The bible is very clear that those rules are still in place.
Jesus himself said he was there to fulfill the law. Meaning the Old Testament. And that is problematic. He was literally ok with owning humans as property, and that it’s ok to beat them as long as you don’t kill them. Because they’re a thing that you own. That’s the law Jesus came to fulfill, and not once did he renounce a single word of it.
“Oh but that was just the way things were then…” Yeah, so the son of God (who is also literally God) can’t say, oh I don’t know, “slavery is an abomination. You cannot own humans”? Didn’t want to cause trouble? Jesus, the guy super well known for staying in line and not rocking the boat 🙄.
A book that would go on to be used as justification for chattal slavery in North America, and cause more pain and suffering than any of us could possibly imagine.
People like to act like their bible doesn’t say this shit, and that folks like Westboro Baptist don’t follow the same book (when they actually follow it more closely). The reality is, Christianity is ugly stuff, and it’s wholly incompatible with a modern (peaceful) society.
- torafugu ( @torafugu@kbin.social ) 8•1 year ago
Since it is “for the children”, I’m sure they won’t give a shit about censorship.
Prepare your VPNs. This will be one hell of a ride.
- bigb5wm ( @bigb5wm@kbin.social ) 8•1 year ago
teach your kids about privacy online, later to use tor and I2p
- 001100 010010 ( @001100010010@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English5•1 year ago
Using Tor is considered terrorist activity in France
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/336989
Why couldn’t the US just do the same?
Internet freedom and privacy needs not only needs protection by technological tools like Tor or VPNs, but also needs legal protection. Would anyone use Tor if the government starts raiding houses? Tor users are such a small minority that the government can easily throw you all in prison.
- Evergreen5970 ( @Evergreen5970@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year ago
I’ve known about Tor since like middle school but have been scared downloading it will get me on some watchlist. Or at the very least, tracked harder whenever I’m not on a Tor browser for whatever reason.
I live in the United States of America. Tor was developed by my own country’s naval research laboratory.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English3•1 year ago
I’ve heard that most Tor nodes are controlled by the US government and the whole system is basically a honey pot, so why would they worry?
- bigb5wm ( @bigb5wm@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
nah not a honey pot at all.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
That’s exactly what a honey pot operator would say. 😛
- bigb5wm ( @bigb5wm@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
problem is the government in the usa would never make it illegal to use because they built the whole system. They would be breaking the law themselves
IIRC I2P can’t access the clear net and Tor is still absurdly slow. I’m not sure what to do there. ~Strawberry
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