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- ukraine@sopuli.xyz
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) 25•1 year ago
It’s right winger propaganda that left would support Russia’s aggressions
- adroit balloon ( @adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml ) English35•1 year ago
you don’t have to look far (even around here) to find people calling themselves communists while rabidly defending Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, for example, making some pretty ridiculous claims and praising Putin with a litany of logical fallacies. call them out, and suffer mass reporting, dogpiling, cross-community harassment, and bans. I believe they’re called “tankies”— self-proclaimed communists who are anything but.
the lemmygrad instance is almost nothing but this.
edit: I suspect that, in theory, they may like the idea of communism (they certainly like to espouse communist rhetoric), but they rush to defend authoritarian ideologues which doesn’t make sense-- especially when they pick sides with capitalist autocrats and dictators who are also war criminals.
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) 13•1 year ago
Yeah, they’re the antithesis of communism or leftism but some definitely are fooled by them
- Duamerthrax ( @Duamerthrax@lemmy.ml ) 10•1 year ago
I know someone like that. He’s an outspoken communist and sees anything anti west as inherently good. It’s a very black and white world view.
He also thinks winning an argument just means outlasting the other person and shouting. I once observed him argue tabletop game mechanics or a half an hour before we realized he doesn’t think removing cards from a deck changes the probability of getting one of the remaining cards. He can’t hold down a job and ironically, he’s in digital marketing.
- queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 5•1 year ago
You’re very confused lol
- adroit balloon ( @adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml ) English11•1 year ago
go on, explain that
- queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 9•1 year ago
Pointing out the role of the West in provoking Russia is not the same as saying Russia’s aggressive reaction is good or justified.
- adroit balloon ( @adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml ) English17•1 year ago
oh, so now it’s The West™®©’s fault that Russia illegally invaded another country?
lmao
- queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 7•1 year ago
Cause and effect have nothing to do with “fault” - the Wests support for Euromaidan lead to the annexation of Crimea which lead to the conflict in the Donbas which lead to the invasion. Things happen for reasons, Russia didn’t just randomly go crazy.
Stop moralizing and start looking at events materially.
- adroit balloon ( @adroidBalloon@lemmy.ml ) English11•1 year ago
Cause and effect have nothing to do with “fault”
dude, you JUST said THIS in a previous comment, lmao:
Pointing out the role of the West in provoking Russia…
so which is it?
Stop moralizing and start looking at events materially.
oh, so when you can’t answer to your own hypocrisy, you move the goalposts? you’re doing exactly what I said above:
rabidly defending Russia’s illegal invasion of Ukraine, for example, making some pretty ridiculous claims and praising Putin with a litany of logical fallacies
confused? looks like I was precisely correct.
Possibly… but that theory is supported by lots of people who claim to be left wing who loudly support Russia’s aggressions.
Some of them are on the comments of this thread.
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) 7•1 year ago
Right wingers have said they’re something else throughout history
- awwwyissss ( @awwwyissss@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
But are they actually people? I suspect many are KremlinGPT.
- GnuLinuxDude ( @GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml ) 20•1 year ago
This lack of self-awareness stands in stark contrast with European nations that decolonized and, although in fits and starts, today seek to atone for past injustices. In 2021, Germany formally apologized for genocide in Namibia in the early 1900s, while Queen Camilla declined to wear a crown at King Charles’ coronation bearing the Kohinoor diamond, which Britain plundered when it ruled India.
This is too funny. Did Britain return the diamond? No. Did Germany pay reparations? No. But this is “stark contrast” to what Russia has done. Very hilarious. It’s actually incredible that the author couldn’t even cite real examples of voluntary decolonization from western powers, because it was always done by force from below. And sometimes even those who tried to overthrow their colonizers were financially punished like how Haiti was.
The article is filled with dumb ideas, half-truths, and revisionist history. Can’t take this seriously.
- DonnieDarkmode ( @DonnieDarkmode@lemm.ee ) English7•1 year ago
And sometimes even those who tried to overthrow their colonizers were financially punished like how Haiti was.
And just to bring it full circle, after the 2010 earthquake in Haiti there was a push for the French government to finally make reparations for what they did (to the tune of $28 billion). The French government said no
- BrooklynMan ( @BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml ) English5•1 year ago
because it was always done by force from below
European (especially British) decolonization of Africa was mostly the result of 1) the Atlantic Charter negotiated between FDR and Churchill after WWII when FDR told Churchill to stop that shit, and 2) because Europe’s devastated economy couldn’t afford to maintain their colonies abroad anymore anyway.
I wouldn’t say that Europe did any of this voluntarily, however. they were certainly forced by circumstance, highly pressured by the United States who threatened to withhold fund for post-war relief and rebuilding, and, obviously, mounting unrest in the colonies themselves.
What makes you think Germany didn’t pay reparations for World War 2?
- GnuLinuxDude ( @GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml ) 10•1 year ago
This was about Namibia? The part I quoted
Oh, to Namibia. I see.
- queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 20•1 year ago
speculating that blindness to Russian colonialism could be due to a failure of Western education systems as well as Soviet propaganda and leftist valorization of the Soviet Union as a foe of Western imperialism
lol they’re still blaming the USSR for brainwashing us from the grave
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 13•1 year ago
Wow the liberals must be actually afraid of Cornell west to be writing garbage pieces like this ‘calling him out’.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 8•1 year ago
Who the hell is Alaric DeArment anyway? This is his only article on salon and afaict his only ‘political’ article. Most of his other journalism seems to be about the biotech industry which makes the original article here even weirder.
- PowerCrazy ( @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) 8•1 year ago
What a garbage article.
- zephyrvs ( @zephyrvs@lemmy.ml ) 6•1 year ago
Google his name and he’s basically writing the same stuff for more than a year:
https://abovethelaw.com/2022/02/russia-plays-western-anti-war-left-for-fools/
https://newrepublic.com/article/173902/ukraine-war-cost-russian-propaganda-rfk-jr-greenwald
https://abovethelaw.com/2022/02/this-is-what-a-fifth-column-looks-like/
https://abovethelaw.com/2022/03/tankies-sinking-in-ukraines-muddy-fields/
https://abovethelaw.com/2022/02/russia-plays-western-anti-war-left-for-fools/
He’s been all over the highly divisive topics that generate clicks right now without providing any deep insights.