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10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works, and process Customer Content and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content: (i) as may be necessary for Zoom to provide the Services to you, including to support the Services; (ii) for the purpose of product and service development, marketing, analytics, quality assurance, machine learning, artificial intelligence, training, testing, improvement of the Services, Software, or Zoom’s other products, services, and software, or any combination thereof; and (iii) for any other purpose relating to any use or other act permitted in accordance with Section 10.3. If you have any Proprietary Rights in or to Service Generated Data or Aggregated Anonymous Data, you hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to enable Zoom to exercise its rights pertaining to Service Generated Data and Aggregated Anonymous Data, as the case may be, in accordance with this Agreement.
Otter ( @otter@lemmy.ca ) English89•2 years agoZoom is used by a lot of institutions for official, sometimes sensitive work (ex. Healthcare, education, etc.)
How are those plans affected by this change?
Vodulas [they/them] ( @Vodulas@beehaw.org ) English34•2 years agoZoom has a healthcare specific license for healthcare. Don’t think they could add that in and stay HIPAA compliant, but I can’t any exceptions in the ToS so maybe US healthcare is actually trash and this is “fine”
Gaywallet (they/it) ( @Gaywallet@beehaw.org ) English15•2 years agoIt’s definitely not fine, but they may be stupid enough to try and train a model on healthcare zoom meetings. I think I’m gonna let my healthcare company security team know. We do a lot of cross collaborative meetings with the university and I’m not sure their license is the healthcare one. Typically that’s all just resolved through a business agreement, but if it’s a part of the ToS now they may be violating HIPAA without knowing it even while having business agreements not to. Might be worth filling a complaint to give the hhs a heads up that they’re potentially noncompliant.
gabe [he/him] ( @gabe@literature.cafe ) 25•2 years agoMy synagogue uses zoom and I’m afraid of the potential risk this might place them with now
TigrisMorte ( @TigrisMorte@kbin.social ) 31•2 years agofor meeting and other video conferencing needs: https://jitsi.org/jitsi-meet/ , not hard to set up and get going.
and of course just video chat with no back end there is always https://vdo.ninja/ though I strongly recommend rolling up a jitsi-meet server
for streaming https://obsproject.com/
Zoom could easily be replaced at little cost other than someone’s time and a donated fairly modern computer (note: businesses can often deduct the full value of the computer if it is two years or less old and is donated to a qualifying organization, such as a Synagogue).
nhgeek ( @nhgeek@beehaw.org ) 41•2 years agoThis is not good. Thanks for highlighting this. I flagged this for my company’s enterprise risk management committee to consider and act upon.
Sebbie ( @Sebbie@kbin.social ) 36•2 years agoWent to look at the TOS. The service generated data (10.2) isn’t actually the bad part. However, 10.4 is.
10.4 Customer License Grant. You agree to grant and hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to redistribute, publish, import, access, use, store, transmit, review, disclose, preserve, extract, modify, reproduce, share, use, display, copy, distribute, translate, transcribe, create derivative works, and process Customer Content and to perform all acts with respect to the Customer Content: (i) as may be necessary for Zoom to provide the Services to you, including to support the Services; (ii) for the purpose of product and service development, marketing, analytics, quality assurance, machine learning, artificial intelligence, training, testing, improvement of the Services, Software, or Zoom’s other products, services, and software, or any combination thereof; and (iii) for any other purpose relating to any use or other act permitted in accordance with Section 10.3. If you have any Proprietary Rights in or to Service Generated Data or Aggregated Anonymous Data, you hereby grant Zoom a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, non-exclusive, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferable license and all other rights required or necessary to enable Zoom to exercise its rights pertaining to Service Generated Data and Aggregated Anonymous Data, as the case may be, in accordance with this Agreement.
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https://explore.zoom.us/en/terms/You’re correct, I mistakenly copied the wrong section. (Posted this from my phone)
Fixed!
rhymepurple ( @rhymepurple@lemmy.ml ) English34•2 years agoA free, libre, opensource, and privacy focused alternative to Zoom is Jitsi, which can be used without an account.
If you want even more privacy, you could host your own video conferencing service. Some options are below.
🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 ( @fastfinge@rblind.com ) English1•2 years agoHow many of those support captions?
rhymepurple ( @rhymepurple@lemmy.ml ) English8•2 years agoI’m not sure which use case you’re referring to specifically, but I have not used any caption functionality in any of the services listed. However, I was able to find the below documentation. At a quick glance, it looks like Jitsi and BigBlueButton support captions better than Jami does.
- Jitsi
- BigBlueButton
- Jami
🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 ( @fastfinge@rblind.com ) 1•2 years agoAh, good to know! I don’t use meeting platforms that aren’t accessible by default for everyone. Looks like the problem, at least in Jitsi, is that enable captions defaults to off. It would need to default to on before I could use it.
rhymepurple ( @rhymepurple@lemmy.ml ) English3•2 years agoWhat do you mean by “defaults to off”? The links for Jitsi were just to how it’s set for recording. However, closed captions seem to be turned on by default already. I think that may be more what you are looking for?
🇨🇦Samuel Proulx🇨🇦 ( @fastfinge@rblind.com ) English1•2 years agoBased on the links you gave, it seems that captions default to off when new servers are created.
esaru ( @esaru@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year agowhich can be used without an account.
Not anymore. You need to login via a Google/Facebook/Github (Microsoft) account to create a meeting room starting from end of August 2023.
Sören ( @soeren@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 33•2 years agoI had to get security clearance for my job. I hope this finally convinces them to not use zoom anymore. Otherwise the security clearance thing is a joke.
- shiveyarbles ( @shiveyarbles@beehaw.org ) 32•2 years ago
Ahh yes they’re going to harvest the infinite wisdom from our weekly conference calls. “Bob you’re on mute”. “Can you hear me now?” I hear echoes " " Bill is that a bong on your desk?"
evatronic ( @evatronic@lemm.ee ) English8•2 years agoDare you not forget, “You sound like a robot!”
Vekt0rz ( @Vekt0rz@lemm.ee ) 1•2 years agoThey will be able to replicate your likeness digitally. Only a matter of time.
Buttons ( @Buttons@programming.dev ) English28•2 years agoEntire industries are bound by the terms of a single company. Time for some anti-trust enforcement.
Some privacy protection laws would also be good.
Some politicians who are capable of understanding any of this would also be good. (What a mess we’re in.)
Repossess6855 ( @Repossess6855@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 27•2 years agoCan’t wait for the impending data breach and all of the sensitive AI training conversation data is leaked
ares35 ( @ares35@kbin.social ) 8•2 years agoand when that data ends up going a lot farther back than the date of this policy change… that is, that they’ve been collecting it all this time.
prole ( @prole@beehaw.org ) 25•2 years agoSo I guess Zoom will be banned in Europe?
knowledgephoenix ( @knowledgephoenix@beehaw.org ) 21•2 years agoUser-generated data like recordings of all video and audio from meetings? Is that legal? And wouldn’t that be a lot of video to store?
Scrubbles ( @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ) English10•2 years agoof course it’s legal. You clicked “I agree” once 8 years ago when your aunt sent you a zoom link, that means they can watch everything you ever do ever again for any purpose, and that’s completely fair. /s
We need to ban the TOS model. There is no way artists uploading to DeviantArt 15 years ago could have known that their art was going to be trained on, there’s no way that should be legal. We shouldn’t be forced to sign away all rights for our content so it can be used in ways that don’t even exist yet so we can join a video call. When we had landlines we had laws about this, but we’ve never seen anything like that for the internet.
wagoner ( @wagoner@infosec.pub ) 3•2 years agoI’m confused also. Does it really encompass this?
kuchai ( @kuchaibee@beehaw.org ) 21•2 years agoThis sucks. A lot of people like me only use zoom because classes/webinars/meetings/interviews are hosted there and we can’t really complain about something we have to attend for our own good, especially if everyone else is doing it. It sucks so bad, I hate how it’s like this. I wish people in my country would care enough to find this AI shit a red flag, but sadly I don’t think so.
tuhriel ( @tuhriel@infosec.pub ) 3•2 years agoIt still might help if you point it out to the orginsator… Especially if you makebit clear to them that their copyrighted slides, etc. will be part of that aswell
- intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 13•2 years ago
Does that imply Zoom is not end to end encrypted?
It never is by default. In fact, they got in a bit of a fiasco early on (before their current E2EE implementation) for using the term “end to end encrypted” after it was revealed they were simply referring to TLS.
- intensely_human ( @intensely_human@lemm.ee ) 6•2 years ago
huh. It’s not even misleading it’s just plain false. TLS doesn’t operate at the application layer, it operates at the Transport Layer. End to end means Application Level encryption.
ijeff ( @ijeff@lemdro.id ) 6•2 years agoInteresting. I wonder if anyone has a document comparison between the two versions.
cook_pass_babtridge ( @cook_pass_babtridge@beehaw.org ) 4•2 years agoApparently they’ve gone back on this now: https://www.theregister.com/2023/08/08/zoom_ai_legalese_update/
wagoner ( @wagoner@infosec.pub ) 2•2 years agoDefinition of Customer Content, from the terms:
10.1 Customer Content. You or your End Users may provide, upload, or originate data, content, files, documents, or other materials (collectively, “Customer Input”) in accessing or using the Services or Software, and Zoom may provide, create, or make available to you, in its sole discretion or as part of the Services, certain derivatives, transcripts, analytics, outputs, visual displays, or data sets resulting from the Customer Input (together with Customer Input, “Customer Content”); provided, however, that no Customer Content provided, created, or made available by Zoom results in any conveyance, assignment, or other transfer of Zoom’s Proprietary Rights contained or embodied in the Services, Software, or other technology used to provide, create, or make available any Customer Content in any way and Zoom retains all Proprietary Rights therein. You further acknowledge that any Customer Content provided, created, or made available to you by Zoom is for your or your End Users’ use solely in connection with use of the Services, and that you are solely responsible for Customer Content.
tl;dr: Customer Content encompasses all data originating from your machine sent to Zoom servers.