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YouTube is changing the homepage experience for users who have their watch history turned off. They will now see an almost blank homepage with just a search bar and buttons for Shorts, Subscriptions and Library. This is intended to make it clear that personalized recommendations rely on watch history data. The new design aims to avoid extreme thumbnails and instead focus search. Some users have already started seeing this change, though it may not be fully rolled out yet. The goal is to both help those who prefer searching over recommendations, and potentially encourage users to turn their history back on. Overall this represents a major interface change focused on watch history preferences.
What’s been your experience with youtube recommendations? For me they are consistently hot garbage.
- Big P ( @peter@feddit.uk ) 131•1 year ago
Is this not a privacy win though? Isn’t this what people want?
- Scrubbles ( @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ) English81•1 year ago
lol right? I call this an absolute win! Less garbage on the homepage and more privacy! Should be a search bar and that’s about it
- WorstPyroEver ( @WorstPyroEver@lemmy.ca ) 28•1 year ago
I agree, it should look like the Google home page. I’m actually surprised google has never gone the way of Yahoo, MSN, etc and crammed their home page full of shit “news” articles & videos.
- Scrubbles ( @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ) English24•1 year ago
That’s what makes them different and they know it, the simple search page. They learned a long time ago to fill the results page with shit instead
- nickajeglin ( @nickajeglin@lemmy.one ) 4•1 year ago
Yesterday, for the first time, I got google search results that were entirely useless. I don’t remember what I searched, but it was a relatively simple question and I was kind of in a hurry. The only results I got were video thumbnails and sponsored products… Also presented as thumbnails. Barely any text anywhere to tell me what the thumbnails were supposed to be. They even removed the choices across the top so I couldn’t select “all”.
It’s been getting worse for years, but that was the last straw for me. I don’t want to search the web on “large thumbnails”, I want “detail view”. Sometimes I’m searching for a product, but mostly I need information in the form of text written by a real human. If a search engine can’t give me that, then it’s not useful anymore.
Really frustrating. I guess I better get around to using duckduckgo everywhere.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@kbin.social ) 22•1 year ago
@peter I’m not actually sure if this is a privacy win at all. I use Google for years with disabled history (and other stuff disabled) and this new change does not make any difference to my privacy. At the moment, still, the home feed recommendations is mostly about videos from my subscriptions, past videos and the newest one. All it does is take away that view, which does not improve privacy. What actually improves privacy is to disable the history, which you could do since years.
Edit: I totally forgot the link I wanted to provide: https://myaccount.google.com/u/0/yourdata/youtube
- Big P ( @peter@feddit.uk ) 6•1 year ago
But if you disabled the history and they still had recommendations then they were still storing your history in some capacity. Now they’re probably not doing that.
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@kbin.social ) 5•1 year ago
@peter No. As said, the recommendations was based on my subscriptions and mostly old videos from the subscriptions.
- circuitfarmer ( @circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org ) 9•1 year ago
Yes. This is the functionality I want if Watch History is off. Chalk one up.
*chalk one very, very minor win up
- Otter ( @otter@lemmy.ca ) English7•1 year ago
Same
I used to use an extension to do something similar, but disabled it when I went and cleared out a bunch
The trend across different interfaces seems to be to crowd it with more junk. Cleaning it up seems like a win, as long as the content is still accessible through other means.
- worfamerryman ( @worfamerryman@beehaw.org ) 6•1 year ago
Came here to say this, hours do i turn search history off?
- thingsiplay ( @thingsiplay@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
@worfamerryman Sorry, just saw your reply now. You can turn off it here: https://myaccount.google.com/u/0/yourdata/youtube
- worfamerryman ( @worfamerryman@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year ago
Thanks! I didn’t think YouTube expected anyone to be excited by this new feature 😂😂
- Rentlar ( @Rentlar@beehaw.org ) 81•1 year ago
For my use case this is a positive change (for once). The less data I need to waste loading a Mr. Beast face thumbnail I don’t need the better.
I wonder if it is intended to cause NewPipe to crash, lol. Or to instead fill the page with ads later.
- StarServal ( @StarServal@kbin.social ) 71•1 year ago
This is great!
Could you also not show a link to shorts? I could also do without those.
- simonced ( @simonced@lemmy.one ) English23•1 year ago
Yep, those shorts are dumb, and YT is passive aggresive when closing the tray: “ok, we’ll repoen the tray in 30 days”. It’s like “I don’t care you don’t want those, I’ll feed them to you no matter what…” Piss off YT!
- Storksforlegs ( @storksforlegs@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year ago
Thank you!
- cmnybo ( @cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ) English13•1 year ago
I use the Hide Youtube-Shorts addon to block those annoying shorts.
- mobyduck648 ( @mobyduck648@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
I’d straight up ban obvious dopamine drips like that if I was dictator for a week.
- Kajo [he/him] 🌈 ( @Kajo@beehaw.org ) 63•1 year ago
I don’t understand. Is this supposed to be an incentive to turn on watch history?
- MagicShel ( @MagicShel@programming.dev ) 33•1 year ago
Right? At last I have a way to let my kid use YouTube for school and stuff without the algorithm trying to seize control of her brain.
- Declamatie ( @Declamatie@mander.xyz ) 57•1 year ago
Google realizing they had gone too far and actually improving UX to avoid losing visitors
- MajinBlayze ( @MajinBlayze@lemm.ee ) 54•1 year ago
Man, I can get a cleaner homepage at the cost of not showing me my history? Seems worth it to me.
- GreatAlbatross ( @GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk ) English45•1 year ago
What a fantastic QOL improvement!
- AlexWIWA ( @AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ) English42•1 year ago
If you’ve seen the default homepage then you’ll appreciate this.
- jukey ( @jukey@feddit.de ) 40•1 year ago
This is exactly what I would prefer even without being logged in!
- ironcrotch ( @ironcrotch@aussie.zone ) English39•1 year ago
Oh no, how am I going to be recommended Tucker Carlson because I watched something about space? Legit happened during a private browsing session where I watched some rocket videos. Left it on accidentally with auto play and it ended up going down a Tucker Carlson rabbit hole most likely because Elom Munsk and Spacex videos were part of the auto play history.
- RickRussell_CA ( @RickRussell_CA@beehaw.org ) 36•1 year ago
TIL you can turn off Youtube history. Done!
- AfterAll ( @AfterAll@beehaw.org ) 30•1 year ago
Good.
- danhab99 ( @danhab99@programming.dev ) 30•1 year ago
So the subscribe page is going to start working normally again??
- Creesch ( @Creesch@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year ago
It still does? That is an entirely different page and still shows the newest videos of channels you are subscribed to. At least, for me it does.
- iAmTheTot ( @iAmTheTot@kbin.social ) 30•1 year ago
In some circles on the internet I really feel like the only person who actually likes YouTube.
- Riker_Maneuver ( @Riker_Maneuver@startrek.website ) English34•1 year ago
I love the content/creators, but hate the company that runs it. Sadly, unless you are willing to give up the channels you love there isn’t much in the way of alternatives.
- Geometric7792 ( @Geometric7792@kbin.social ) 20•1 year ago
It’s funny because I agree with you - out of everything that collects my data I get the most out of YouTube, it often recommends things I like quite a bit and it’s the primary way I discover new music
- TwilightVulpine ( @TwilightVulpine@kbin.social ) 9•1 year ago
I used to like YouTube, but between the constant increase in number and length of ads, as well as how they keep stifling creators by restricting the language they can use and the topics they can cover, it seems like anything good there exists in spite of the company rather than because of it.
- 👁️👄👁️ ( @mojo@lemm.ee ) English26•1 year ago
This is not good like the people in the comments think. It’ll just get more people to create accounts to give Google more data. You could easily just not click on thumbnails before. You could also just block it all with uBlock Origin to have an empty front page.
- nyander ( @nyander@beehaw.org ) English7•1 year ago
I concur. It seems like Google is trying to force personalization. It’s also not good that they are hiding the default recommendations because it becomes harder to see what is being censored.
- 👁️👄👁️ ( @mojo@lemm.ee ) English1•1 year ago
There will be personalization as long as cookies are enabled though. I wouldn’t be surprised if they fingerprint on top of that too.
- ExLisper ( @ExLisper@linux.community ) English2•1 year ago
Everyone one is already giving all their data to google/facebook/tiktok/amazon. Why would you care about average internet user?
- Dark_Dragon ( @Dark_Dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English4•1 year ago
But collectively it makes a difference.
- ExLisper ( @ExLisper@linux.community ) English6•1 year ago
The only collective effect I can think of is that if everyone would start blocking ads google and others would crack down on ad-blockers and it would be more difficult for us to use them. Let the sheep feed google so it doesn’t care about the 1% that’s currently hiding.