Intentionally loud exhausts are obnoxious and selfish. As much as I dislike it, however, I’d far rather deal with the noise than having yet more surveillance. We’re already the #3 most surveilled country in the world, only the USA and China is worse.
Harley Davidson bikes are just noise pollution. Unlike cars they are build like this out of the factory.
Electrics cars will make it a non issue but then we will be stuck with the surveillance. Our country is scary. No one cares.
Having said that if you are intentionally being noisy for noisy sake there should be harder punishments. Even lose your license for a bit, it’s not a got given right to drive. You got to earn it.
All drivers should be considerate of others
Electrics cars will make it a non issue
I do not see EVs replacing scooters (which are driven by lower budget commuters). A single unmuffled scooter driving through #Paris at 3am can wake up 10,000 people according to Bruitparif. And don’t forget horns. Assholes will used their horns at 3am on my street. The only thing they give a fuck about is their own convenience when their favorite parking spot is taken.
The idea of harsh punishments works if a vehicle is continuously loud because it will eventually cross paths with a cop. So that position is fair enough. But what about horns? There’s never a cop around when horns are misused.
Electric scooters are a thing.
In fact they are huge.
I think not. But then I’m not living in a wealthy part of town. I think I’ve only seen one, ridden by a colleague. It only takes one of those little 2-stroke 50cc gas fuckers to wake up 10,000 people.
I’d far rather deal with the noise than having yet more surveillance.
My cognitive dissonance triggers on this point because one of the reasons I cycle is privacy. I am also firmly in the #fuckCars camp (noise, pollution, death, selfishness of people putting their convenience above lives of other people & animals). It’s hard to give a shit about car drivers having privacy. And also realize that car drivers inherently sign up to give up privacy in order to use a personal car anyway (registration, insurance, banking transactions tied to those activities and their fuel purchases, etc). The fuel purchases of car drivers feed the oil industry, which in the US feeds the war chests of republican candidates who disrespect both privacy and the environment.
Yet people making the wise pro-privacy considerate decision to cycle are still exposed to breath car fumes, noise, and life-threatening physics (e=mc²).
Hard to have sympathy for car drivers. Although my dissonance needle moves a bit more if these noise cams are always recording video and thus capturing all people not in cars. I don’t know if that’s the case.
I live in a city center, and frequently have loud cars drive past. Some are substantially worse than others. The loudest of them are so loud that when they go past I can’t hear my TV for 30 seconds or so, and that’s with my windows all closed and listening via headphones.
Something really does need to be done to enforce the noise laws that are often being ignored.
All motorists are loud. Cities aren’t loud, cars are loud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTV-wwszGw8
some are a shit-ton louder than others though
I never even considered that was an option. I figured loud jackasses was just something we’d have to live with.
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I’ll take the loud cars if we can get some real fucking regulations on headlight brightness so I don’t get blinded every time I drive at night.
There is already the regulation in the Highway Code:
114: “You MUST NOT use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users”
The “MUST NOT” indicates that this is a legal requirement and so it is a criminal offense to disobey it. Now if we could get the police to actually ENFORCE the legal requirements in the Highway Code, then maybe things might improve on the roads.
I mean if that’s the case then they have to enforce it on the companies as well because in 2023 it’s the default on many models on the road, not even with their brights or high beams on.
Just went down the legislation.gov rabbit hole, and it seems there are regulations on headlight height and angle that have been in place since 1989, but unfortunately no maximum power or brightness restrictions.
Which means that although a driver could be fined for using excessively bright headlights, the manufacturer of the car could not be fined for making the car like that in the first place.
Perhaps if things like these noise cameras gain in popularity it will encourage the lawmakers to look at other issues like this one.
I drive a Mini. The SUV infiltration in this country is making night driving a miserable experience for me.
I kind of miss the days when most people around here drove a small car, now everyone’s in a tank.
Do it! I hate loud cars. Noise pollution kills.
Its motorbikes round my way that are stupidly loud. Not even kidding you can hear some of them a mile away. I know this because I can see the road about a mile away and still hear them!
Same here. And in recent years the amount of drivers are pushing their luck more. Like driving clearly illegal bikes, driving on grass parks and footpaths and even through underpasses. I saw three teenagers break into a bike shed to stash their stolen scooter in. The Police didn’t seem to care much even though I called with a crime in progress. Nothing like this happened where I live a few years prior.
Well theres no deterrent these days.
Another one is those electric scooters, they’re a real menace!
Yeah for sure. I honestly think electric scooters and electric bikes are the way forward (not wasting energy on 1-2 tonnes of metal while going round town). But until they are better regulated and enforced it’s just mayhem.
South Park made a whole episode about these people.
With motorbikes there is the additional problem that most of their owners actually rework them to be louder. I can regularly hear the motorbikes on the bypass, which is about the same distance, with a hill in between. You don’t hear the busy car traffic, but you hear the motorbikes.
I’ve taken to muttering “There goes the Vroom Vroom Man in his vroom vroom” every time one of these pricks rumbles by. It solves nothing, but makes me laugh.
So, now I have to choose which I dislike more: government surveillance spooks or jerks with loud engines? Jeez, that’s a tough call.
Some idiot is going to hang out near the camera with a boom box and play loud engine noises every time an electric vehicle drives by.
Yes, this is something that’s unfortunately necessary
(Apologies for USA centric comment)
I think if that was proposed in the USA, people’s heads might actually explode. When 2 roundabouts were put in nearby, some people acted like the UN new world order was on its way. I grew up in Basingstoke so I love roundabouts. Thankfully people have come around to the idea.
I’d support it just so my dog can walk near a road without some pickup gunning its engine as it flies past us. Any kind of traffic speed reduction is treated with fury over here.
People with loud pipes don’t realize they look like a nobend and sound like this: https://youtube.com/shorts/s0xqopmjbSo?feature=share
I’m American and love roundabouts. I think my fellow drivers hate them because they require a small amount of thought and planning, which is too much to ask from your average American driver.
Roundabouts are easy, and easy to learn. When I got my license, there were just three roundabouts in my state. Now there are three within two minutes of driving, and a fourth one is planned.
Roundabouts are actually better than normal crossings for traffic flow and reducing the accident rate, but they require respect and consideration for the fellow traffic participants, so I don’t expect them to work in the US.
I agree they’re easy. Which is why I don’t understand why nobody else seems to be able to learn them
Don’t worry - that’s not purely American. People here acted like the illuminati were on the march when a couple of ‘school streets’ were announced (no access during pick up/drop off hours
“Think of the children!”
school safety measures implemented
“No, not like that!!”
Have you seen the videos of those idiots trying to use the roundabouts in the US? They were totally clueless, and not even able to follow the signs.
It was staged. A fake.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Kentucky/comments/n3c5zq/the_viral_roundabout_video_was_staged_by_the/
I have seen people drive the wrong way around the local roundabouts. The most frequent error is people treating it as a four way stop and waiting for their “turn” to go, then getting frustrated when other people don’t do the same.
I think if that was proposed in the USA, people’s heads might actually explode.
We already have traffic cameras everywhere, and I don’t see anyone’s head exploding.
“Most people want surveillance installed to clamp down on autonomy”
When your expression of freedom gets in the way of my health, my gut reaction is that I need you to stop.
So, please record all sounds around me. For my own protection.
Next thing you know these pencil pushers will be wanting to record how much lead is in our water
The government do a lot to protect you from yourself. You just don’t realise the extent of it.
Highways have traffic cameras all over the place for traffic control and spotting accidents, but it’s never bothered you before because you’ve never noticed.
Stuff being recorded isn’t the problem you having this idea that anyone is even remotely interested in using it to surveil you is the problem. You’re not interesting, no one’s watching you, no one wants to watch you, and no one is implementing clever conspiracies in order to get cameras in place in order to watch you more.
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Yes but you’re essentially complaining about the equivalent of speed cameras and claiming that they’re going to be used for monitoring you. Which would only happen if you were driving past them very loudly so just don’t do that.
If you get caught speeding you can hardly use the arguement of well the government shouldn’t be monitoring me.
You’re engaging in the classic slippery slope fallacy. Anything you don’t like, all you have to do is claim that it’s a step on the way to tyranny and suddenly it’s acceptable to oppose it. The same arguement was used to oppose the introduction of seat belts.
If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.
-Goebbels
That glorified speed cameras we’re not talking about state surveillance here.
Anyway if you wanted to object to that you should have objected about 30 years ago and CCTV camera started to get put in everywhere
Just because it’s already very bad, doesn’t mean that you should make it just a little worse.
Please. I live on one of the busier streets in my town, right by an intersection. The amount of people driving by with cars that sound like someone’s farting through a megaphone are insanely obnoxious. Fuck, most the time they’re shit boxes that go slower than normal cars. People in my area buy cheap, shitty cars, pay to have a falsified safety, then make them loud and obnoxious while slowing down traffic because their cars can barely accelerate.
British people are insane. Why are you willingly asking for more government intervention in your daily lives for such a minor annoyance. Y’all do realize they will eventually be caught using this to spy on people.
Fuck it. I’m tired of being woken up by the sound of machine guns and grenades.
