I like the overall lack of in-jokes I’ve encountered here so far, and I want things to stay that way. This might be an unrealistic thing to hope for, but I like good, pure, discussion, as boring as that may be for some people.
I’m not a fan of the pun chains that somehow always ended up at the top of any Reddit comment thread
There could be a post about electricity and one of the top threads will have a joke about Watts, amps, shock, resistance, ohms, and other electric terms. The least they could have done is use Siemens, but it’s always basic wordplay that anyone can think of
And the worst part is that pun threads can be found any post regardless of the gravity of the situation. Titty post? Puns. Mundane news? Puns. A post of an innocent person being wrongly executed by electrocution? Puns.
Everyone thinks they are/wants to be a comedian, and they’d rather post a low quality joke than to add to the discussion or not say anything at all
Eugh, I know. I don’t miss scrolling past those to get to the “real” comments.
You could collapse the comments there, a feature kbin could use
Good point. Another feature I miss from Reddit is the ability to hide posts. We could really use that here.
and articles
That’s what I meant. But being able to hide both would be great.
If you’re willing to use TamperMonkey there are scripts that create collapsible comments.
For example I’m using this one and you can browse other scripts and style changes in !Kbin.Styles@kbin.social / direct link
I’m already using Kbin Enhancement Script and Kbin-unsquash in Violentmonkey, so I’m willing to try other userscripts too.
How does it differ from TamperMonkey?
Biggest difference I can think of is that Violentmonkey is FOSS, while versions of Tampermonkey past 2.9 aren’t.
I don’t remember if I’ve used Tampermonkey or not, but I remember using Greasemonkey before I made the switch to Violentmonkey years ago. I don’t remember what happened with Greasemonkey that prompted me to switch.
This is an artifact of having very large forums. With such a large number of people commenting on the same posts, people start making bids for attention, rather than actually commenting on the OP. Stuff that gets the most attention, rather than furthers discussion floats to the top, and people then comment on that in order to be seen.
This behaviour then filters down to smaller spaces.
If you don’t want this kind of thing to happen here, participate in smaller communities. Resist the pull of community centralization.
I thought I was the only joyless curmudgeon who disliked the pun threads! I feel validated by your post and I appreciate it.
I bet, like, the very first pun thread on reddit was spontaneous and reasonably entertaining but then like anything else that got a laugh one time it got suplexed into oblivion almost immediately.
Yea and usually I like funny stuff and I laugh REAAAALLY easily but I got kinda annoyed by the Reddit jokes that are so repetitive and I was like “am i becoming grumpy or smth?” I guess not! lol
That’s the biggest problem with Reddit jokes tbh. They don’t just beat dead horses, they atomize them.
Honestly I think kbin (and lemmy) should default to sort comments by “old”. I started using this for reddit some time ago and it’s such a breath of fresh air. Also I think it better represents actual population of communities (of course it highlights both good and bad parts of it). Funniest thing is there are still puns - only instead of upvoted chains you see dozens (or hundreds) of the same unsuccessful attempts to start these chains by would-be “comedians”, which is hilarious. This definitely helped me to understand on which subreddit comments are useless, and saved a lot of my time.
Lemmy sorting actually specifically tries to avoid that because all it does is reward the people who commment first. https://join-lemmy.org/docs/contributors/07-ranking-algo.html
Comments shouldn’t have “upvotes” or ranking at all.
Reddit used to say ‘the real life pro tip is always in the comments’ or something to that effect.
Why shouldn’t a comment that contributed, was genuinely useful or corrected information given by the post be able to naturally rise to the top?
I understand that we don’t want “This is the way!” to become the highest top rated comment, but, in most threads useful top level comments get highlighted and off-top/factually incorrect/morally repugnant ones get punted to the bottom and ones that came late to the conversation are just floating in the middle (as compared to being at the end where chances of them ever being seen are even lower).
There are many forums that already have a flat design like that. The appeal of reddit or reddit-like forums is that useful information bubbles its way up to the top. This allows users to find the highest quality posts with the minimum amount of effort.
It also let’s users show their appreciation for a post by upvoting it, or label a post as spam/garbage by down voting it.
Although I did enjoy those puns chains, I wouldn’t mind leaving them behind. I imagine they would be best in their own little part of this Fediverse world. Someplace where people bring in any odd post and challenge each other to make the longest chain of puns, but out of sight for the majority of people who are seeing the posts.
But whatever, they can stay in Reddit if the want to do pun chains, it just doesn’t fit the mood over here.
Makes you wonder what does kbin use to sort comments
The in jokes and general comment culture on Reddit was one of my favourite parts. Usually made me laugh, some really good ones would make me laugh to the point of tears. I think that in jokes are a symptom of community.
Came to say this. I wish i could upvote more than once.
They were funny like 13 years ago. Within the past 5 years the user base has becoming to overwhelmingly stupid that all the in jokes are terrible, or the funny ones are done wrong.
See, this is how you looked 13 years ago. It’s you that’s changed, buddy. Charlie Sheen was not fucking funny, rage comics weren’t funny; ‘catch me outside’, ‘fuck her in the pussy’, planking etc were all so, so moronic.
Look at how self righteous we are.
I never thought Charlie sheen was funny 13 years ago. I never thought rage comics were funny 13 years ago.
Go ahead and make some more assumptions
Not assumptions, examples. It was all trash.
My first time blocking a user.
I guess there’s a first time for everything
Agree to disagree. ¯\(ツ)/¯
That’s the trend I saw. I think there are two factors to this though. Earlier Reddit was more open to some level of playful banter and immaturity, which wasn’t necessarily toxic, but long term it invited toxicity. Clamping down on that element more made the push back uglier. I enjoyed waterguy and bepis leaking through on occasion because it was those moments which made Reddit as a whole a community. Allowing such “humor” contributed to making Reddit feel comfortable, but it allowed those elements which also made it unsafe. The other factor is that we’ve matured and we want a community which provides information directly without that flair of absurdity.
I think the truth is that any community is going to naturally acquire those sort of quirks. The key is figuring out how to allow them without eroding the value which is sought.
Nice
“Damn, onion cutting ninjas in here again!”
you win the internet with this underrated comment, kind sir!!1
Updooted. I’m too poor so have a silver award. May the narwhal bacon your midnight.
Wait, why are you guys walking away?
I also choose this site’s dead in-jokes
Reading /world news yesterday was quite sobering if I had any thoughts about going back to reddit.
Suddenly, calling a man Pringles was the height of humor and almost 0 informed discussion happening in the megathread and the people who were being serious kept getting drowned out by Pringles jokes.
We could do with more discussion here at m/worldnews…
this guy kbins
I also want to see This and This is the way die a fiery death. So annoying. It seemed like no one could think for themselves on Reddit.
I used to play a game with myself trying to guess the top comment of Reddit posts. If it wasn’t the first it my guess was at least 5-6 post down way too many times.
So much agreed. They add nothing to the conversation yet always get upvoted. Instant downvote from me. And that’s one thing downvoting is actually meant for–content that adds nothing of value.
This guy does such and such thing.
Bots literally can’t think for themselves. I think that’s a big reason why the jokes got repeated so much, because of all of the comment copying bots. I really hope we don’t get a lot of that here.
It’s inevitable really. Once the site grows, the number of people who think their funny will too. The best thing your can do is dislike it and ignore.
At least the upvote and downvote functions here are separate, so that I can make my dislike more visible.
I remember when they changed that.
The first time I downvoted an asinine, irrelevant comment and watched the vote count turn blue but stay at “24k” it really felt like I was personally being told that I wasn’t welcome there anymore. It was a reminder that my opinion didn’t matter.
How long ago did Reddit change that? I didn’t join that site until 2015, so I missed the early days.
Whatever the case, I hope we keep upvotes and downvotes separate here.
Looks like they did it 9 years ago - wow, I can’t believe it was that long ago. link
Not sure tbh. When I reply to people on here, I don’t usually mention them. I guess if it’s doing it for you automatically, then that’s how it’s supposed to work, idk.
their
Oh no
It’s already here and it’s going to increase. It is what it is.
- awsamation ( @awsamation@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
I don’t know what I expected that to be. But I know it wasn’t that.
If that’s the case, then I hope they get nipped in the bud.
- awsamation ( @awsamation@kbin.social ) 8•1 year ago
They won’t.
Lowest common denominator reference humor is inevitable. Even you probably found some of these dead jokes funny at first.
It seems like you’re in the wrong Fediverse instance. I think beehaw makes an attempt to keep it serious and on point, with more moderation.
Also try tildes, which has a very interesting voting system where you can attach a tag to your upvotes or downvotes, such as ‘noise’ or ‘off topic’ or ‘joke’, and overall vote score gets reduced - not sure exactly how it works. (Tildes is not part of the Fediverse though, if I recall, it’s stand alone site like reddit.)
Both those may be invite only.
On reddit there is a subreddit of r/WorldNews called r/WorldNews_Serious which moderates out the jokes and trivial discussion, so look out for those communities to popup in the Fediverse.
I don’t mind jokes, even the bad ones - it shows these people are at least cheerful and upbeat even with the world not doing so great atm. If you think the joke is lame, that’s what the downvote is for, so use it would be my advice.
Honestly, I think other reddit alternatives could benefit from adding something like the labels from Tildes (exemplary, off-topic, joke, noise, malice) in order to create sorting algorithms for different types of users/communities.
It could, for example, allow people who are tired of the constant jokes to have comments which get labeled as jokes sorted lower, which could even be the default in communities intended for serious discussion… or you could do the opposite and sort funny comments to the top when jokes are the purpose.
I might have to look into Beehaw then, and see what I think of it. Not sure what I think of having more moderation though.
I think active moderation is about the only way to discourage bad behaviour on the internet.
Allowed to run free, trolls and racists quickly take over any online space by discouraging decent people from participating.
tildes, which has a very interesting voting system where you can attach a tag to your upvotes or downvotes, such as ‘noise’ or ‘off topic’ or ‘joke’
Oh wow. I didn’t realize they were using the slashdot system.
That’s the first thing that makes me slightly tempted to try out tildes.
You need an invite though. I don’t know anybody so I can’t get in.
Same. Though i’ve seen some invites being offered on kbin/lemmy.
Oh c’mon, the narwhal baconing at midnight is a treasure to humanity! How could you not want that?!
/sDon’t worry, they’re going to Lemmy world instead. Oh shit we’re federated…
Time to segregate
Probably an unpopular opinion in this thread, but I think the puns and in-jokes are what makes a community a community. It can get repetitive and annoying sometimes, but I usually get a chuckle out of them before I move on to the relevant content.
I liked Reddit much more 10 years ago when it was smaller. Less of a hive mind echo. I keep federation turned off to enjoy the smaller kbin community. It looks like the majority went to Lemmy and I am just fine with that.
I keep federation turned off to enjoy the smaller kbin community
That’s what I do too.
too late