- cross-posted to:
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- cross-posted to:
- programmerhumor@lemmy.ml
cross-posted from: https://ls.buckodr.ink/post/332420
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Web & mobile development took a wrong tern 10 million miles back, and no one wants to turn the car around and admit it.
What’s possible for web apps today is insane considering where it started. I remember when AJAX was a brand new technology, and now you can do videoconferences with screenshare right in a web browser.
I think the push toward apps is because of influence from mobile. Everyone wants their own app, just like everyone wanted a dot com in the 90s. Hopefully we’ll stabilize around browsers and open standards.
Hopefully we’ll stabilize around browsers and open standards.
I would love this, but I think it will require major privacy reform. The push toward apps comes overwhelmingly from a single source: surveillance capitalism.
Not just privacy reform, but also mandated interoperability between services
It took a wrong turn in the 90s. There’s been no real feasible way to fix it without breaking the web for many decades now. Some things are just forever despite their problems, like QWERTY.
So let’s break the dang web
I’m working on a little project to try this out.
Yes, I couldn’t recommend htmx highly enough.
This meme is really only true for things like Slack where the app is just the webpage in an app, and even then it’s not quite true because Electron is a lot heavier than a webpage because it has to now run the webpage and the app - which I think is terrible.
But then also, Electron enables actual apps to be developed using web standards - which I think is great.
TLDR: Use Electron to make apps, not glorified webpages.
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Slack IS an app.
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Slack IS a webpage.
Calling Slack a webpage is like calling an office building a room.
Slack is just as much a complex app as anything else even if it’s built on web tech and standards.
The point is that Slack does not take advantage of Electron at all. It’s no better than running it in a browser.
For Slack it does. Building an app via Electron means it’s cross-platform by default, so Slack doesn’t need to invest in separate platform teams to solve the same problem (Windows, macOS, Linux).
Electron also has better support for things like native notifications, video and voice calls, offline capabilities, and to other native APIs etc that are either unsupported or spottily supported via the browser.
Flutter?
What about Flutter?
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It has all this support for native platforms yet it’s always a clunky memory hog
Maybe so but it has improved a lot over time. The app devs share some responsibility too so it’s not all on Electron.
zero effort to respect the design language of the OS it’s running on.
That’s the Dev’s design choice, not a limitation of Electron.
I’m on macOS, I want the app to be a native macOS app. If I wanted it to look like a webpage, or Windows, or Linux GTK then I’d switch to one of those and expect it to match those paradigms.
I don’t disagree but at the end of the day it doesn’t matter to enough people for it to become an issue. People are used to Slack and the way it works.
Moreover the cost of building the same app 2x or 3x simply doesn’t make business sense.
Main difference is the electron app has access to more things on your computer, like files, sensors, microphone, camera etc.
Please don’t eat my RAM. I need it for mining MemoryCoin ™.
(Not FUD, legit curious)
Is there any way to make RAM production significantly greener than it is today?
It isn’t to save RAM the you should use the website over the app for.
I think they’re referring to the fact that often installed apps will be able to mine more of your data
that sounds like just plain old paranoia and fear mongering
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I wish it were… But well, I guess I’ve been exposed to far too many privacy news articles, so I’m now paranoid too (with good reason)
Got myself a laptop and PC with 64GB of RAM. I’ll never look back. 16GB on a dev machine just seem like the bare minimum nowadays.
Recently downloaded the KFC app. Strangely the app needs to ask me if I accept cookies, hmmmmmmmmmm
I thought KFC sold chicken 🤔
