Western countries have for too long acquiesced to the Indian government’s abuses
snipgan ( @snipgan@kbin.social ) 79•9 months agoRegardless if the guy deserved it or not, killing them in a country you are supposed to be on good terms with is not the way to go about it.
At this point India is barely even trying to hide it.
SturgiesYrFase ( @SturgiesYrFase@lemmy.ml ) 55•9 months agoAlso, the guy in question was a Canadian citizen.
Pxtl ( @Pxtl@lemmy.ca ) English9•9 months agoIt’s too early to confirm who did it, but it looks like it just happened again:
An alleged (edit: alleged by India) Khalistani terrorist was just murdered in his home in Winnepeg.
Silverseren ( @Silverseren@kbin.social ) 12•9 months agoAnd all the Indian news outlets are claiming the guy was a gangster and that this was a gang-related shooting. Meanwhile the local Winnipeg police are just like “Uh, we have no evidence on that as of yet and have made no statements about that, where the frick are you getting this claim from?”
Pxtl ( @Pxtl@lemmy.ca ) English5•9 months agoYeah, I updated the headline to make it clear that the allegations were by India, because people were rightly pointing out that “alleged Khalistani terrorist” was giving them too much credit.
zephyreks ( @zephyreks@programming.dev ) 5•9 months agoIndia’s getting blatant and nobody cares because of China.
LillyPip ( @LillyPip@lemmy.ca ) 1•9 months agoModi isn’t exactly subtle about anything.
e: modi not MIDI
brvslvrnst ( @bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml ) 69•9 months agonever previously in the friendly and orderly West.
Well, started reading the article, got to this line and cringed.
Syldon ( @Syldon@feddit.uk ) English16•9 months agoIt is a vague reference that they are following the route of China and Russia by ignoring and abusing the laws of western states.
Oh no, its a clear reference to the blind eye the west & the world has turned to the ongoing genocide of Muslims & Christians in India by Modi govt & the Hindu supremacist thugs it supports.
Syldon ( @Syldon@feddit.uk ) English2•9 months agoA valid point but the emphasis in the statement is that it is an “explosive charge” this week. Those murders have been going on for decades. This is about the change in the audacity of these crimes.
zephyreks ( @zephyreks@programming.dev ) 6•9 months agoThe laws of Western states that the West only selectively follows? Gee…
Syldon ( @Syldon@feddit.uk ) English1•9 months agoIf I go to another country I follow the laws of that state. It is called respect.
zephyreks ( @zephyreks@programming.dev ) 2•9 months agoWhat if the state itself doesn’t follow those laws?
Chariotwheel ( @Chariotwheel@kbin.social ) 12•9 months agoFor a kinder and friendlier colonism.
yes, that line had me laughing too.
/dev/null ( @random_prime@lemmy.ml ) 59•9 months agoAs an Indian I agree. But I need to see conclusive proof first. I don’t want to see my country degrades itself to the same level as CIA / NSA or Mossad. If we did something wrong there should be adequate consequences.
CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 20•9 months agoThe thing is we’re scared of China and you’re the only developing country of over a billion left, on top of your ideological and language similarities with us. Even Trudeau is treading as lightly as he can given the situation.
If the west is scared of China, then India’s PM Modi is terrified of them. In June 2020, When China invaded India in Galwan and beat our 20 soldiers to death, Modi publicly state that nothing happened in Galwan. Since then he has been unable to take China’s name, even when China built an entire village with paved roads in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh.
The Modi govt that rules India is ideologically fascist dictatorial, majoritarian, and violently Hindu supremacist. If that is also your country’s ideological stance then we do have a lot in common. CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 9•9 months agoMaybe I should have said historical ideological similarities. India has been a democracy, which makes you seem much more trustworthy than China. Democracy is having a hard time in many places right now, though.
/dev/null ( @random_prime@lemmy.ml ) 3•9 months agoI understand your point of view but don’t you think these things should have been considered thoroughly before going public in this manner? It is only fair to ask for conclusive proof if you accuse something serious like this in public. It is safe to assume all diplomatic effort has been failed from both side. Also as far as I read in the news, the investigation itself is ongoing. Don’t you think all these confusions could have avoided if Canada decided to go public after concluding the investigation? That way India would have very little wiggle room to refute the hard evidence presented.
CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 4•9 months agoThat would be good. The thing is spies are involved, so I don’t know if all the evidence he can see will be released for decades. I don’t think the Prime Minister would have brought it up at all unless he had to, given how terrible this is for everybody.
What do you think, would the Indian government do this? There are a lot of Khalistan supporters in Canada and it seems like Hindutva would argue for a very tough treatment of that, but I’m not Indian.
/dev/null ( @random_prime@lemmy.ml ) 6•9 months agoI am a common citizen I literally have no internal knowledge, especially in these top secret national security stuff. As a sane human being what I can say is that incentive to commit the alleged crime is there. That doesn’t necessarily mean we actually did it. And yes as a society currently we are in ultra nationalistic clusterf**k. So public sentiment is there to support this kind nefarious behavior domestically.
It is really unfortunate situation. At one hand it’s foolish to blindly believe anyone (irrespective of their designation county or affiliation) without concrete evidence, especially regarding issues as serious as this. On the other hand I also kinda understand how hard it is to make espionage related evidences publicly available, even for world leaders. In any case, diplomacy from both sides failed us. Knee jerk reactions in international relationship seldom help.
Above all, what I would like to point out is that, this is a kind of situation where nobody wins.
CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 2•9 months agoYes, absolutely agreed.
1993_toyota_camry ( @1993_toyota_camry@beehaw.org ) 1•9 months agoThe news was going to leak, so he decided to get ahead of it. He very much would have preferred to finish the investigation first
https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/harjit-sajjan-hardeep-singh-nijjar-1.6971605
zephyreks ( @zephyreks@programming.dev ) 14•9 months agoWhat evidence do you want to see about a state-sponsored assassination? It’s happened twice now and you think it’s an accident?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/winnipeg-homicide-victim-wanted-india-1.6975772
Just yesterday.
IIn the past ndia has never been a terrorist country, not even at the worst provocation. But the current regime is fascist and Modi is desperate. As Governor Satya Pal Malik has said about India’s PM Modi ‘he can do anything, he can go to any extent’.
Hell13no ( @Hell13no@lemmy.ml ) 7•9 months agoAnd if we didn’t there should be equally measured consequences for the once who made acquisitions without adequate proof
India’s Modi govt that practices domestic terrorism on its own citizens within india, wants to make India known as a terrorist state in the global stage.
ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ ( @yournamehere@lemm.ee ) 25•9 months agomodi isnt humble and so isnt his government. modis shitty support for russia is wrong. he has already lost touch with reality. i think the image of india in the west is falling rapidly, but i am sure modiist know why everyone else is wrong. time to rename the country. it is no longer happy nice india, bad bahRAT.
Armen12 ( @Armen12@lemm.ee ) English4•9 months agoIndia’s image is better now than ever
Lmaydev ( @Lmaydev@programming.dev ) 17•9 months agoThe main news I see about India is religious hate or rape tbh.
That is what Modi’s fascism and Hindu supremacism has turned India into.
TransplantedSconie ( @TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee ) 6•9 months agoIt’s rape all the way down, Randy.
Thann ( @Thann@lemmy.ml ) English19•9 months agoIf Canada follows the 9/11 protocol, they would invade pakistan
CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 10•9 months agoNah, too close to India. Invade Iran on bullshit pretenses that have a tenuous connection with the situation even taken at face value.
Metal Zealot ( @Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml ) 9•9 months agobut in old Canadian fashion, we’re just going to bend over and take it
Pxtl ( @Pxtl@lemmy.ca ) English12•9 months agoThe PM is literally calling them out in public and starting crap with the Modi administration over it.
itsgroundhogdayagain ( @itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml ) 13•9 months agoAre we pretending the West doesn’t order murders in other countries?
Pxtl ( @Pxtl@lemmy.ca ) English30•9 months agoWell, for one, I doubt Canada does it, and for another, the Americans at least have the self-respect to own what they’re doing when somebody calls them out on it instead of switching into crybully mode and throw a diplomatic temper tantrum like Modi is.
I don’t recall Obama ever pulling diplomats and visas from Pakistan when their government was angry about US airstrikes in their country.
“I didn’t do it and if I did it was justified” just looks childish.
Armen12 ( @Armen12@lemm.ee ) English8•9 months agoAmerica doesn’t “own up” to anything unless forced to, not sure what America you’re talking about
Pxtl ( @Pxtl@lemmy.ca ) English11•9 months agoI don’t think anybody ever pretended that anybody else was flying Predator drones over Pakistan and occasionally hellfiring a camp. I mean, it’s not like they apologize, but generally their reaction is “yes, we did that. What’s your point?”
Armen12 ( @Armen12@lemm.ee ) English2•9 months agoThe pentagon doesn’t care, nor have they ever cared
scv ( @scv@discuss.online ) 2•9 months agoThe US still promotes dictatorships around the world, and in Latin America specifically, while claiming to promote democracy. There isn’t even that much democracy at home.
The narcissist’s prayer definitely applies to the country that elected Trump, as it does to Trump himself.
PupBiru ( @PupBiru@kbin.social ) 23•9 months agonobody should do this… the west does, and that’s also shit… right now, this is the event that we’re talking about though and citing the west is just whataboutism
YeetPics ( @YeetPics@mander.xyz ) 2•9 months agoThe east never does tho. Only the west.
You’re all liberals 🧐
You all just got dunked on so hard.
odium ( @odium@programming.dev ) 18•9 months agoLol, Russia is the one who does this the most. China has illegal police stations, reported by multiple countries.
YeetPics ( @YeetPics@mander.xyz ) 22•9 months agoWhatabout
kitonthenet ( @kitonthenet@kbin.social ) 8•9 months agoAre we pretending we should give the west a pass on that? Should they be allowed to with a clean conscience?
quindraco ( @quindraco@lemm.ee ) 11•9 months ago Blapoo ( @Blapoo@lemmy.ml ) 9•9 months agoIs there any evidence that India ordered the assassination?
snipgan ( @snipgan@kbin.social ) 33•9 months agoIf there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
But something must be there if the Canadian government is making this statement instead of ignoring it. Sounds like the media was going to push the story anyway, but they got ahead of it.
The USA already said they aren’t distancing themselves from it and working with Canada with this.
We will see how things turn out, but things are pointing to more than likely India did something. Especially with the swarm of comments/bots pulling the whole “well he deserved it” and “hypocrites” all over.
CanadaPlus ( @CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ) 3•9 months agoIf there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Plus, there’s probably spies involved.
DrVortex ( @DrVortex@lemmy.one ) 2•9 months agoIf there is, it won’t be shared currently due to it being an ongoing investigation.
Then Trudeau should have kept his trap shut about it until he had the ability to produce hard evidence. Now, he may have even compromised the investigation, or made a fool of himself if this investigation exonerates India hfsctually or due to geopolitical ‘compulsions’).
It’s a stupid hill to die on.
mephiska ( @mephiska@kbin.social ) 16•9 months agoYes, Canadian government says they have it.
Metal Zealot ( @Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml ) 7•9 months agoDon’t worry, there won’t be. Canada has been allowing itself to be a pushover for a while now
prove me wrong, people.
Pxtl ( @Pxtl@lemmy.ca ) English14•9 months agoWhat, you mean like when Canada stuck to it’s guns with the arrest of Meng Wanzhou even after the hostages were taken?
Or like how Canada hasn’t had diplomatic relations with the Saudis since 2018 when Canada refused to stop calling them out on their human rights abuses?
laylawashere44 ( @laylawashere44@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English1•9 months agoOr the time they had the incident with KSA over Kashoggi.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 2•9 months ago
Fashy undertones.
AMuscelid ( @AMuscelid@lemm.ee ) 2•9 months agoAlso fashy over and mid -tones
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 6•9 months ago
Canada’s fascist roots are going to be impossible to hide when dealing with this sort of thing.
EDIT because apparently the obvious “they were going to find a way let them get away with it” wasn’t unhinged enough for the internet to have it as their first thought.
Armen12 ( @Armen12@lemm.ee ) English5•9 months agoWe have done what now? India has only been a country since like 1947, what are these long trains of abuses you refer to here in the west? Chippendales?
mctoasterson ( @mctoasterson@reddthat.com ) 3•9 months agoTheir highest profile crime besides T-Series.
Africanprince99 ( @Africanprince99@lemmy.one ) 2•9 months agoSounds like a terrorist who got assassinated in a foreign country.
Anyway this OP has a vendetta against India. They have yet to comment on all the atrocities being carried out by Muslim governments daily.
LillyPip ( @LillyPip@lemmy.ca ) 1•9 months agoAnd I had a conversation just last week where I verbatim said ‘Canada isn’t going to war with anyone. I mean, can you imagine?’
Well, now who has egg on their face.