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Its an interesting article about subsidizing ebikes.
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I was highly skeptical before reading the article, but the author made great points and I’m actually fully on board with that, now. I was even wondering if my state had plans to do something like this, then I read this at the end of the article:
Meanwhile, many states aren’t waiting for federal action. Hawaii, Connecticut, Colorado and Massachusetts either already offer subsidies or intend to.
Awesome! Thanks for sharing. This really changed my perspective.
E-bikes work as a car replacement for short-to-medium distances, and it would be a huge net benefit to facilitate that shift for as many people as possible, in as many situations as possible. So to make that happen, you obviously also want to roll out safe, protected cycling networks in tandem with these subsidies.
I think E Bikes are amazing, but people don’t seem to take their speed seriously enough in my area. Those things absolutely crank, and people seem to have no concept of their potential danger to themselves, pedestals or other motorists. Nearly 30 mph isn’t a joke, and they seem to ride on the sidewalks here rather than the roads.
Well, in the US at least, the federal speed limit for an e-bike powered solely by its motor is 20mph, so to get past that would require at least some effort on the part of the rider - although I agree that’s still way too fast for sidewalks. I think maybe the first step then would be to improve the infrastructure for bike lanes; I use an e-bike to get to work when the weather is nice enough, and aside from that the single biggest deterrent to that is because several times I’ve almost been driven off the road by cars. Dedicated bike lanes with proper separation should reduce the amount of people biking on sidewalks, but of course there will always be someone doing things they aren’t supposed to.
It looks like Max assisted pedal speed is 28mph, which is freaking quick on a bike haha.
100% agree that bike lanes would be a great choice, though in my area I have no idea where they could build them! I’m in the most population dense county in FL, and traffic already sucks much of the time.
Be safe, people are morons so ride defensively!
It’s a funny situation where normally you’d have to be quite fit and capable on a bike before reaching those speeds but now you can just start there instead of working up to it.
In my area at least, the ones most riding e-bikes are people who haven’t biked in awhile and have lost fitness from when they last rode too. Now they’re riding a heavier bike with a heavier body at speeds beyond even their previous skill level, and the brakes on these bikes aren’t as beefy as they should be with this in mind either.
It’s crazy that they would subsidize electric cars above electric bikes to me. I get subsidizing both, but it seems like bikes should have been prioritized.
Unlikely in the usa
Wouldn’t e-bikes be a relatively stopgap measure? They still require a relatively advanced and carbon-wasteful technological base, after all: maintenance and repair for the bikes themselves (including regular replacement batteries, which are definitely NOT environmentally friendly), plus paved roads in good repair (again, requiring a lot of fossil fuel expenditure).
There’s also the likelihood that as the Earth’s environment becomes increasingly hazardous we’ll require protection from the elements more and more often - protection which would be difficult to add to a bike of any sort.
The US military has projected that basic infrastructure in the USA will be collapsing throughout much of the country in less than twenty years. It’s hard to see how ebikes will be practical under those conditions. Gearing towards long-term lower-tech solutions would seem to be a wiser choice.
Maintenance and Repair, regular batteries, etc
I don’t think you understand how simple E-bikes are, they are essentially just bikes, and their maintenance and repair vs any car is miles away, even if we only consider the savings vs oil changes, not to mention things like car batteries or tires.
I ride an e-bike exclusively to get around, usually several hundred miles a month, for the past 3 years, and my battery is still at near the capacity when it was new. I don’t think a new battery every 10 years (if that) counts as “regular replacements”, again comparing to the amount of waste involved in automobiles.
Yes, comprehensive public transport would be better overall, but that requires large amounts of public coordination and money, and still takes away agency from the commuter. An e-bike is relatively cheap, and can be a switch made on a person-to-person basis, so you don’t need to fund a billion dollar train to make progress, you just need to get as many people as you can on bikes.
And, crucially, if the batteries all die and we’re in the apocalypse… It’s still a bicycle. You can still pedal around like normal
Which long-term lower-tech solutions are you talking about concretely?
The US military has projected that basic infrastructure in the USA will be collapsing throughout much of the country in less than twenty years. It’s hard to see how ebikes will be practical under those conditions.
The Modern War Institute articles are not official US positions as stated in their own disclaimer. Here is the disclaimer straight from the link:
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The Modern War Institute does not screen articles to fit a particular editorial agenda, nor endorse or advocate material that is published. Rather, the Modern War Institute provides a forum for professionals to share opinions and cultivate ideas.
That noted, yes US infrastructure is aging and will need more funding. It is not like the US infrastructure will just suddenly become feral ghoul territory in 20 years, funds (likely not enough) will be used to replace/update/maintain infrastructure. Will US cities become feral? I’d bet an exceedingly safe wager is no, not at all. That podcast references 3 other articles dealing with cities mostly in war torn areas of the world, not US cities.
It’s hard to see how ebikes will be practical under those conditions.
If the worst outcome occurs and some cities turn into Fallout style wastelands… bikes will work MUCH better than large vehicles that require more maintained roads, service stations, and generally more infrastructure/logistics than a bike or ebike would ever require.
Finland actually does this in the form of a “company bike”.
As an employee, you can get a bike leased through your employer, with a tax free benefit of up to 1200€/year leasing cost. After the leasing period is over, you can buy the bike for 1% of the original cost (to buy out the remainder value in the company ledger). The leasing can be for up to 5 years, so the max value for the bike is 6000€, with s final buyout value of 60€.
Due to Finnish tax laws, the calculations are a bit weird but in the end, you end up getting the bike at around 20-40% cheaper in the end. Additionally, you get to spread the cost over multiple years without having to pay high financing overhead.