- kibiz0r ( @kibiz0r@midwest.social ) 34•1 year ago
posted to Socialist RA
Commenters: “but why are you posting about firearms though???”
- BarrelAgedBoredom ( @BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee ) 9•1 year ago
Libs gonna lib
- ackzsel ( @ackzsel@kbin.social ) 6•1 year ago
Yes, worship violence and fire arms some more. That’s going to make the world a better place for sure!
Spoken like someone who doesn’t have their mere existence threatened by armed fascists on a daily basis.
- Jaytreeman ( @Jaytreeman@kbin.social ) 12•1 year ago
‘you get further with a nice word and a gun than you do with a nice word alone’
If a fascist marches, do you ask them to please don’t do that? Do you march against them?
- blazera ( @blazera@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
You get shot with a nice word and a gun
- TheFriar ( @TheFriar@lemm.ee ) 10•1 year ago
That’s the entire point of the saying. You dont get shot with a nice word and a gun because you’re not unarmed. The reference to “nice word” in the second half is like saying, “you could try to wash dishes with good thoughts, but good thoughts and scrubbing with soap and water is more effective.”
- blazera ( @blazera@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
No you definitely get shot when you try to be the shooter.
- TheFriar ( @TheFriar@lemm.ee ) 7•1 year ago
Hmm…
You do know there are places where there is actual conflict happening and there is actual attempted revolution, correct? You seem to be thinking about this from a strictly “upper class western” pov where people who’ve never shot a gun in their lives carry one around because they watched YouTube videos. That’s not what’s being discussed here.
- blazera ( @blazera@kbin.social ) 2•1 year ago
Considering the current US anti trans trend, im pretty sure this is for a western audience.
- ackzsel ( @ackzsel@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
I hope anyone that touches a firearm drops dead on the spot. I don’t need adults with the mindset of a 8 year old in this world. I’m not debating anyone defending fire arms.
- FfaerieOxide ( @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social ) 14•1 year ago
The other side doesn’t have to debate.
The other side has guns.- agent_flounder ( @agent_flounder@lemmy.one ) 7•1 year ago
And some of them are insane enough to kill people based on skin color, gender identity / expression, and more.
- FfaerieOxide ( @FfaerieOxide@kbin.social ) 9•1 year ago
With such dangerous people about, one sure is glad to have a gun.
- novatorine 🏴🏳️⚧️ ( @anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social ) 13•1 year ago
@ackzsel @seahorse @Jaytreeman ah yes, marginalized people who are regularly threatened by violence, armed fascists, and the state being willing to use firearms to defend themselves and their right to exist are totally the ones with the mentality of an 8-year-old, not the person who thinks we should literally just roll over and let people beat us up and murder us and eliminate us from public life in order to preserve some perfect pacifist moral high ground because firearms are an ooo spooky evil shibboleth only “bad guys” touch and “all violence is bad.” Thinking all violence, even in self-defense, is bad regardless of the context is totally a mature and well thought through position and not an overly simplistic view of how morality works. Believing that using a specific implement of violence is bad simply because a group you don’t like likes that tool is totally adult thinking. Believing in pure pacifism in the face of genocidal evil as if that’s in any way practical or moral is totally a nuanced adult view of the world and not the most simplistic 5-year-old understanding of morality that you get from children’s cartoons.
- novatorine 🏴🏳️⚧️ ( @anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social ) 11•1 year ago
@ackzsel @seahorse @Jaytreeman seriously, when the level of your thinking is “guns bad and anyone who uses them is evil” you don’t get to accuse other people of having a child-like view of the world lol
- Jaytreeman ( @Jaytreeman@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
I like what you’re saying, so I don’t mind being tagged, but I thought it was obvious I’m on your side
@Jaytreeman @seahorse @ackzsel sorry yeah you got tagged cuz you’re in the thread is all, I’m on mastodon not kbin and that’s just how it does it 😅
- Jaytreeman ( @Jaytreeman@kbin.social ) 4•1 year ago
No worries. Keep fighting the good fight!
- Ranger ( @Ranger@kbin.social ) 11•1 year ago
Hope alone will get you nowhere but beneath an authoritarian’s boot, figuratively or literally. Please be pragmatic.
- TheFriar ( @TheFriar@lemm.ee ) 8•1 year ago
Question for you: would you rather all the guns be in the hands of the government? Because guns won’t disappear due to your wish. In countries all over the world, conflict is very real and not having guns would mean utter defeat for those fighting against fascists.
We get it, it would be a different world if guns were never invented. But they have been. And relinquishing that power to those that would see you not exist simply isn’t an option anymore.
- agent_flounder ( @agent_flounder@lemmy.one ) 10•1 year ago
Must be nice to never worry about defending yourself.
Self defense is an inherent right of every living thing.
- cacheson ( @cacheson@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
Yes, worship violence and fire arms some more. That’s going to make the world a better place for sure!
Unironically yes.
- SokathHisEyesOpen ( @Anticorp@lemmy.ml ) 2•1 year ago
The left: ban all guns!
Also the left: defend yourself with guns!
Make up your mind.
Edit: as someone who arrived here from Everything who is not familiar with your community, I didn’t know that you don’t consider yourself liberals. The trans community is typically pretty liberal in my experience, so that association further influenced my response. Anyways, carry on, and don’t mind me.
Libs want to ban guns, not leftists.
- גִּזְבָּר گیسپر ( @mw@mathstodon.xyz ) 2•1 year ago
- slick ( @slick@kolektiva.social ) 6•1 year ago
“…we could remain armed and refuse to obey the new government, and we would be able, here and there, to carry out attempts at expropriation and organization of society along anarchist and communist lines. We could prevent the revolution from being halted at step one, and the people’s energies, roused by the insurrection, from being lulled back to sleep.” - The Anarchist’s Task, Errico Malatesta
“Let us continue [Bakunin’s] work, never forgetting that two things are necessary to be successful in a revolution, two things, as one of my comrades said in the trial at Lyon: an idea in the head, and a bullet in the rifle! The force of action guided by the force of Anarchist thought.” - Direct Struggle Against Capitalism, Pëtr Kropotkin
“Free people must be free to arm and defend themselves with the weapons they choose. While making all of society less violent, by changing the social conditions which breed various sorts of predation and abolishing political coercion, is the best way to stop aggressive acts, until then people should be able to have access to the means to defend themselves, including firearms.” - An Anarchist Case Against Gun Control, Joe Peacott
'Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary." - Address of the Central Committee to the Communist League, Karl Marx
“By direct action the Anarcho-Syndicalists mean every method of immediate warfare by the workers against their economic and political oppressors. Among these the outstanding are: the strike, in all its gradations from the simple wage-struggle to the general strike; the boycott; sabotage in its countless forms; anti-militarist propaganda; and in particularly critical cases, such, for example, as that in Spain today, armed resistance of the people for the protection of life and liberty.” - Anarcho-Syndicalism: Theory and Practice, Rudolph Rocker
“Organised in grupos de afinidad, the anarchist urban guerrillas favoured clandestine forms of organisation, placing great store on the values of individual or small-group violence. The grupistas fulfilled a range of tasks, forming ‘defence squads’, which provided bodyguards for prominent activists, and organising armed collections for the unions in workplaces and on the streets…” - Anarchism and the City, Chris Ealham
“Anarchy is incessant, permanent revolt against all constituted order, war on the State and all its authorities, waged in every way and under every possible form: with the word and with every other outward sign, with acts of defiance and hostility, and above all with arms.” - Our Revolution, Carlo Cafiero
also see: “Ready for Revolution: The CNT Defense Committees in Barcelona 1933-38” which highlights FAI affinity groups doing weapons training. https://www.akpress.org/ready-for-revolution.html
and Socialist Rifle Association
- three ( @three@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
why is the trans community always so violent?
Why is the straight, white, christian community trying to kill them?
- three ( @three@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
read the Bible sweaty
You want a ban my guy?
- three ( @three@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
you asked why and i told you why. stop being so defensive and maybe you might learn a thing or two.
- bermuda ( @bermuda@beehaw.org ) 12•1 year ago
If you try to kill others because a book tells you to then maybe there’s something psychologically wrong
- three ( @three@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
yeah no shit, the it was asking why people want to kill it
- FaeDrifter ( @FaeDrifter@midwest.social ) 5•1 year ago
I have read the bible, I was raised in Catholic private schools where extensive Bible study and daily mass were mandatory.
If you want to start invoking bible phrases, I will pound you into the dirt over your own bible ignorance.
Better for you to sit down, take the L, and not even try.