- supersane ( @supersane@lemmy.ml ) 62•1 year ago
Obviously illegal. Collective punishment is a war crime and makes Israel a monster. Imagine if there was a murderer in your building and the feds blew the entire building up.
- AdamHenry ( @AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 22•1 year ago
Israel is willingly lead by a monster.
- Razp ( @Razp@lemm.ee ) 9•1 year ago
As is punishing all Russian passport holders for the action of the government. So it’s either both EU and Israel are monsters or neither is.
- Devi ( @Devi@beehaw.org ) English24•1 year ago
Not being able to spend summer in the Algarve and being brutally murdered is totally the same thing.
- Razp ( @Razp@lemm.ee ) 5•1 year ago
“Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.
We are hypocrites. We have double standards.
I am just pointing it out.
- cheery_coffee ( @cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca ) 12•1 year ago
Starving people to death via a siege and not allowing passport holders to visit are worlds apart.
Aside from that, it would be a violation of sovereignty to say which countries other countries had to allow in. Countries can and do block passports all the time.
- Razp ( @Razp@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
You missed the point :
Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.
Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.
In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”
We. Are. Hypocrites.
- Scary le Poo ( @Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org ) 8•1 year ago
Please, by all means, inform the class what “collective punishments” Russian Citizens are currently facing that are directly equivalent to what Israel is doing.
You won’t because you’re a 🤡 and you know it.
- cheery_coffee ( @cheery_coffee@lemmy.ca ) 4•1 year ago
You’re missing the forest for the trees.
I feel like if I continue to argue with you we’ll end up debating what the meaning of every word.
Blocking people’s access to all food, electricity, and water is entirely different than a country banning travel from another country.
- Devi ( @Devi@beehaw.org ) English5•1 year ago
Collective punishment IS a war crime. Travel is a privelege, not being able to go on holiday to specific places isn’t punishment. Do you realise most countries aren’t permitted to travel somewhere?
- Razp ( @Razp@lemm.ee ) 4•1 year ago
It’s not about traveling, and not about Russians at all. I just gave an example. Look,
Ursula von der Leyen was against Russians destroying the energy infrastructure of Ukraine.
The same Ursula supports energy blockade of Gaza by Israel.
It’s just pure hypocracy.
In both cases the civilian population suffers the most. In both cases it’s a war crime and should be condemned.
- Devi ( @Devi@beehaw.org ) English3•1 year ago
You’re on about something completely different now.
- TexMexBazooka ( @TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ) 16•1 year ago
There’s a bit of false equivalency here methinks
- Razp ( @Razp@lemm.ee ) 3•1 year ago
“Collective punishment is a war crime”. Except for Palestinians and Russians, of course. And anybody we disagree with. Fuck those civilians.
We are hypocrites. We have double standards.
I am just pointing it out.
- TexMexBazooka ( @TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ) 9•1 year ago
Can we agree that “not letting people with Russian passport travel in NATO countries”
And “Slaughtering civilians en masse in retaliation to a terrorist attack”
Are just a wee bit different as far “collective punishment” goes?
- Razp ( @Razp@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
You missed the point :
Russia invades and terrorises the Ukrainian civilians. We punish Russian civilians aka collective punishment.
Hamas invades Israel and terrorises Israeli civilians. Israel punishes Gaza civilians aka collective punishment.
In the first case we are OK. In the second case we scream at Israel (the OP post) “Collective punishment is war crime!!”
We. Are. Hypocrites.
- TexMexBazooka ( @TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee ) 2•1 year ago
……you’re comparing passports to murdering civilians.
- pascal ( @pascal@lemm.ee ) English4•1 year ago
As a punished Russian living in Lomonosov, let me explain you what has changed for us since this “punishment” started:
Absolutely nothing.
(Oh, yes, Coke bottles are now green, instead of red.)
- AdamHenry ( @AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 6•1 year ago
Didn’t you just describe Putin’s warm up run in the late ninties?
- SpiderShoeCult ( @SpiderShoeCult@sopuli.xyz ) 3•1 year ago
Remember when they did this?
- library_napper ( @library_napper@monyet.cc ) 56•1 year ago
Israel’s actions are a direct consequence of what Hamas did," Borrell’s spokesman had said in Brussels earlier the same day.
Uhh, I think you meant to say “Hamas’ actions are a direct consequence of what Israel has been doing to Gaza”
- AdamHenry ( @AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 18•1 year ago
You really wouldn’t gather this by looking at the media churn. It’s pro Israel to with it’s foot to the floor. If you dare voice distention, you are labeled to be an anti Semite. This successful tactic has been a go to for years. For Israel to know true peace, they need to dump its current leadership. I won’t see this happen in my lifetime.
- library_napper ( @library_napper@monyet.cc ) 7•1 year ago
I don’t know what media you read, but this has not been my experience with The Intercept, Aljazera, and Democracy Now
- irmoz ( @irmoz@reddthat.com ) 3•1 year ago
I think you answered your own question… None of those are “media churn” AKA mainstream media, but are instead alternative independent media outlets.
- Syndic ( @Syndic@feddit.de ) 8•1 year ago
It both is the case. But it should be really obvious to anyone that even a horrific terrorist attack doesn’t just absolve Israel from international law.
“Jungle” Borell still in peak colonialist form.
- DAMunzy ( @DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 51•1 year ago
Well, no shit. And nothing will be done about it.
Not directed at OP
- Baggins ( @baggins@beehaw.org ) English43•1 year ago
Hasn’t this always been the case?
Israel has not been a shining example of virtue over the years. I’m not excusing the disgusting actions by the other side, where they are proved true, as some of the pictures have already been discounted, but this would only make Israel come down harder.
I don’t the have an answer, but what ever us happening now is certainly not it.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 8•1 year ago
So you just want them to sit back and take their genocide laying down? Of course you do, because you don’t really support the Palestine struggle, you’re just clutching at pearls because the thought of the oppressed rising up scares you.
- tryptaminev 🇵🇸 🇺🇦 🇪🇺 ( @tryptaminev@feddit.de ) 12•1 year ago
It is weird talking about a genocide against Israel, while they starve 2 million people.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 2•1 year ago
Once again with feddit de users saying the literal exact opposite of what I just said and causing me to get 9 billion downvotes.
- callouscomic ( @callouscomic@lemm.ee ) English3•1 year ago
Why would anyone care about fake internet votes on meaningless comments? Weird thing to worry about.
- MisterScruffy ( @MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml ) 3•1 year ago
if the comments are meaningless why are you reading them. If nothing here matters why are you here? go away
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 2•1 year ago
It’s less that i’m getting slammed and more that it’s not my fault that i’m getting slammed. Someone else mischaracterized what I said and it’s completely erased what I originally intended and replaced it with the exact opposite, and that’s what people are walking away with.
- Anamana ( @Anamana@feddit.de ) 1•1 year ago
It started out by you misinterpreting the other guys message, so it’s fair I guess.
- renlok ( @renlok@lemmy.ml ) 10•1 year ago
I think you are confused, Israel are the ones who are planning on carrying out genocide.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 5•1 year ago
I’m not confused, that other guy was being bad faith. I even made it clear in my comment who was doing the genocide.
- Karyoplasma ( @Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de ) 5•1 year ago
So you just want them to sit back and take their genocide laying down?
“Them” refers to the palestinians.
What the poster is arguing is that Israel incited the attack by years and years of oppression and forced displacement.
I don’t fully agree with that sentiment. I don’t condone the attack and blaming that on Israel alone is delusional, but I certainly will not “stand for Israel”. Genocide is not an appropriate response and the flimsy excuse of citing the recent attack as the trigger for moving forward with their long-standing plan of ethnic cleansing is despicable.
- Baggins ( @baggins@beehaw.org ) English4•1 year ago
Not what I said at all.
Nobody wins here. Parading mutilated corpses and taking hostages is not ‘supporting the struggle’ though.
- MisterScruffy ( @MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml ) 4•1 year ago
I agree that civilian death is always bad but the Palestinians have tried every course they can and they’re still being choked to death, at some point violence is self defense
- Baggins ( @baggins@beehaw.org ) English2•1 year ago
I totally agree, I’m not cutting Israel any slack here - their treatment of Palestine has been awful - and if they weren’t so chummy with USA it’d be a different story. But parading mutilated corpses in the streets etc? There’s no excuse. Whatever side you’re on.
- PolandIsAStateOfMind ( @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml ) 28•1 year ago
Why are they not sending wepons to Palestinians?
- Browning ( @Browning@lemmings.world ) 13•1 year ago
To what end?
This isn’t something Palestine can fight their way out of, however many weapons they have. - moroz ( @moroz@discuss.tchncs.de ) 7•1 year ago
Because Israel destroying HAMAS or Palestine doesn’t threaten EU. Yet.
- OsrsNeedsF2P ( @OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml ) 5•1 year ago
Because the very same article shows the EU most certainly doesn’t like Hamas.
His condemnation of Israel’s behaviour came after three days of EU rhetoric that had focused on the “utterly inhuman … shocking … barbarous” nature of Hamas’ atrocities, while highlighting Israel’s rights rather than its obligations.
He pledged his staff would conduct a swift review of EU aid to Palestine to make sure no money ended up with Hamas via error or deception.
Stopping aid to ordinary Palestinians would be “the best present we could give to Hamas and it would jeopardise our interests and partnerships in the Arab world,” he added.
“We want to make sure that, beyond UNRWA, the EU budget does not get to any organisations which has any ties, any links to Hamas,” he said.
EU sending weapons is not a matter of who is defending or attacking, only a matter of who they like
Of course, i was (rhetorically) asking our resident EU shills which claims EU is follwing some kind of beningn international policy.
- bob ( @bob@feddit.uk ) 4•1 year ago
Biden and the US have delivered and promises more military aid for Israel. What death toll do we want here? https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-speaks-with-israels-netanyahu-us-monitors-situation-2023-10-11/
Probably as much as possible, especially that Netanyahu is known for unhinged hate and slander for Palestinians and Biden now just repeats it after him.
- Jo Miran ( @JoMiran@lemmy.ml ) 17•1 year ago
“Do unto others as others have done unto you.”. – Israel
That was not the best takeaway, but here we are.
- Omega_Haxors ( @Omega_Haxors@lemmy.ml ) 16•1 year ago
I’m going to be real, I doubt they can even muster the will to write a strongly worded letter with the kinds of members who make up the EU.
- bufalo1973 ( @bufalo1973@lemmy.ml ) 15•1 year ago
Wait! I know what Borrell will do: expel Israel from Eurovision! That will serve them right and start behaving!
I don’t expect much more from anything leaded by Borrell. We know him well in Spain.
- statist43 ( @statist43@feddit.de ) 6•1 year ago
Wtf is israel in Eurovision?
- barsoap ( @barsoap@lemm.ee ) 10•1 year ago
Because they’re an EBU member and the EBU includes the whole Mediterranean, have a map. The reason the Arab states don’t compete in Eurovision isn’t because they’re not allowed to, but because Israel participates. Morocco and Lebanon even are founding members, Israel joined in 1957 (look under “past members” Israel switched organisations in 2017).
Australia got special dispensation to participate even though they’re only an associated member because they’ve been nuts about the contest for ages, constantly hitting very high viewer numbers.
- Karyoplasma ( @Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de ) 5•1 year ago
Australia was allowed to participate as a special guest to celebrate the contest’s 60th anniversary. People there liked it and ESC was like “whatever, you may stay”.
It was like hiring a band for your birthday party, but they turn out to be fun people to have around, so you let them stay after their show.
- barsoap ( @barsoap@lemm.ee ) 1•1 year ago
That’s true but the reason they were invited in the first place is because they’ve been steady fans since 1983. They got a commentary booth in 2012, airtime to fawn in 2013, and then the special guest band in 2014 ah heck here’s the link. It wasn’t a random thing, besides Australia Eurovision isn’t a thing anywhere outside of Europe.
- Ukuli ( @Ukuli@sopuli.xyz ) 5•1 year ago
Yes, and Australia is as well. :D
- Queen HawlSera ( @HawlSera@lemm.ee ) English15•1 year ago
Stand up to Zionists!
- lustyargonian ( @lustyargonian@lemm.ee ) 12•1 year ago
No you don’t understand, what is Israel supposed to do when Palestine does that?
But don’t you wonder why Palestine is doing that in the first place? It’s because Israel did that thing before.
But Israel did that thing because Palestine did that other thing
But Palestine had no option but to do that because of what Israel did months before
But Israel had done that because of years of that
But how is that Palestine’s problem? They only did that because what else would’ve they done?
…
- Sauvandu59 ( @Sauvandu59@lemmy.my.id ) 6•1 year ago
and then they won’t do anything.
- Rapidcreek ( @Rapidcreek@reddthat.com ) 5•1 year ago
It is war.
- Omega_Jimes ( @Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca ) 1•1 year ago
Is it UNWRA or UNRWA or are they two different agencies because wow with this article.
- 1up Games ( @Maddie47@lemmy.zip ) 0•1 year ago
Gaza doesn’t have any oil so nobody will help.