The ratio for those is favour of reversing Brexit is very close to two to one now.
Support for rejoin can be as high as it wants to be. The bottom line is that Sir Keir has ruled it out. It’s not happening. He doesn’t want to lose Labour Red Wall votes.
I think people have to be realistic about these things. If they want to rejoin, vote for a party that will take us back in or at least are receptive of the idea of applying. That’s not Labour yet people want to vote for them. Pick your priorities.
All well and good but with a FPTP system you cannot vote for what you want and expect to get it. If we had PR then that would be a different story.
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leave it to the UK to create a system somehow less functional than the electoral college here in the US. Huzzah to the special relationship.
FPTP is exactly as dumb as the US election system, because it’s the same thing the US has.
Do people in the usa get taught anything about how various different kinds of democracies work in their mandatory schooling?
It’s confusing to me, as even in isolated old Australia we learn about different kinds of voting systems and republics vs monarchies etc.
In my area Labour won by 2000 votes at 18500. Tories came next and LD were third at just over 2500. How can I vote tactically against Labour?
Can they actually reverse it? Will the EU take them back?
Not reverse it but reapply for membership, that will of course be subject to veto!
It will come with a lot of prerequisites that will make the deal the UK previously had look like they had won a golden ticket
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Countries only have to have “plans” to eventually adopt the Euro. There’s no timeline on it, so they could say they intend to adopt it in 100 years and that would technically satisfy the requirements.
Sweden has “been in the process” of adopting the Euro for nearly 30 years now.
we added a euro sign to our localized computer keyboards, that has to count for something…?
Hey if it’s good enough for the EU then it’s good enough for me!
I like the setting an example take.
The EU will take the UK back. It has been said by a few. The UK will still have to go through a process. It will not be quick. I would not be surprised if the EU makes the first demand for us to have a new referendum. Just so they know we are not wasting their time.
Not just wasting their time - Brexit cost the EU time and effort and money as well. They’re not going to bother if the UK isn’t sincere.
Don’t expect Britain to return to EU in the next 50 years or so.
Make it more like 10 to 20 years
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Hahaha, I can see you are a man of culture
My body is ready? Can’t see the image
It’s should render as an embedded image. What Lemmy app are you using to view the post?
I’m using Sync
Maybe raise a bug? Sounds like it doesn’t handle images in markdown correctly. Looking at the issue tracker there’s a bunch of outstanding bugs around images in general.
Issue tracker for the app Sync for Lemmy …
https://github.com/laurencedawson/sync-for-lemmy
I’m using either the web or Jerboa or Lift Off depending on my mood and they all display images correctly.
Good luck 🤞.
Quite a lot of people are on the fence though.
That’s 37% of leave voters not of all voters.
The poll, carried out by the Times, showed that 37% of Leave voters believe Brexit has a been a failure, with just 20% saying it a success and 35% sitting on the fence.
Since the leave vote was 52% that is roughly half so 18% overall.
I was more thinking about the line on Tory voters at the end. 38% against, 22% for, leaving 40% on the fence.
Although, typing it out I just realised I did the maths wrong in my head. I thought it was 50%. Either way, it’s still a large portion of people undecided.
Current Tory voting intention is as low as 24% with some polling.
I’m guessing a significant[1] proportion would change their mind, when they see the kind of punitive conditions[2] the EU would probably impose on rejoining.
[1] enough to change the result of the second referendum, so >10%.
[2] worse than the previous ones.
The reason we had such a deal was because we had restrictions for not being a member of the Schengen or the Euro zone. If we rejoined the EU then joining Schengen and the Euro would be a prerequisite. This is the same for all new members of the EU. There would be no punitive conditions as the EU is based on everyone being equal.
B-b-b-ut if I don’t get special treatment, I’m being punished!
Again no. Because the UK was not part of Schengen or in the Euro zone we could not take on the presidency. Since we will not be joining under those conditions this time then that will not apply. EU rules state all new members must be in Schengen, and must also promise to implement a currency change to the Euro. The is no time frame attached to implementing the Euro.
I thought the /s was clear.
It’s ok, I’m sure Austria and The Netherlands will have UK’s back and just veto their Schengen joining ad infinitum for no apparent reason. As for the Euro, the UK can just pull a Sweden or purposefully maintain a highly variable exchange rate so as not to fulfill the requirements for joining the Eurozone.
Alternatively, pull a Denmark and peg it to the Euro and do some voodoo with interest rates when it’s in danger of changing parity outside the agreed upon limits. (Not sure if this is what pre-Brexit UK did?)
There will be a few that will make rejoining awkward for the UK. Notable Greece and Spain.
I am fairly sure there are consequences to peeing around with defined limits while in the Euro.
I think you:
a) misunderstand the EU’s incentives here - if a genuine supermajority in the UK came back asking to be let in, EU leaders have an incentive to make that happen easily as a signal of the total failure of Brexit and hard-line euroscepticism - the optics of the UK returning would be so good for the EU; and
b) overestimate the ‘punitive’ measures the EU could take - worst we would get is the sort of arrangement other EU states have such as hypothetical future euro membership that neither the UK nor rest of EU would have any more desire to implement than is the case for (e.g.) Poland or Hungary; they wouldn’t even need us to join Schengen because that actually would create the Irish hard border that the EU negotiations were all about avoiding (since Ireland isn’t a Schengen state).
Isn’t Ireland not a Schengen state just because of the Common Travel Area with the UK?
