We’re reaching the end of an era wherein billions of dollars of investor money was shovelled into tech startups to build large user-bases, and now those companies (now monoliths) are beginning to constrict their user-bases and squeeze for every single penny they can possibly extract. Fair or not.
Now more than ever, it’s important for us to step back and reconsider whether we want to be billboards for these companies anymore.
For anyone unfamiliar, some good resources to have when starting your degoogling journey are below:
Privacy Guides - A list of privacy-respecting services you can use.
Plexus - A crowdsourced information bank of service compatibility with degoogled devices.
This random PDF - A study from 2018 detailing data that Google tracks about its’ users.
clearedtoland ( @clearedtoland@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English49•1 year agoSo um…how do I show the lemmyverse that this is a really important post without the shiny meaningless gold coin?
sweBers ( @sweBers@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English18•1 year agoInteract, share. Be positive.
lowleveldata ( @lowleveldata@programming.dev ) English15•1 year agoidk. Try writing a poem?
BlueÆther ( @BlueEther@no.lastname.nz ) English8•1 year agoI can write poetry, so I asked a new friend:
In the realm of tech's changing tide, Where billions flowed like an endless ride, Investor money, a torrent's stream, Built startups bright with a lofty dream. But now, the era draws to a close, As monoliths emerge, the story goes. They tighten their grip, a vice-like hold, Squeezing pennies from users, bold and cold. Fair or not, the question arises, Do we still want to wear their disguises? Are we mere billboards, a canvas for their name, Or can we reclaim our autonomy, break free from the game? In this pivotal moment, we must pause, Reconsider, question, and find our cause. To degoogling, a path unfolds, Where privacy and freedom firmly hold. Privacy Guides, a beacon of light, Leading us to services that respect our right. No longer pawns in their data-collecting scheme, We seek alternatives that make our souls gleam. Plexus, a treasure trove of shared knowledge, Mapping compatibility beyond the edge. A community united, hand in hand, Building a future where we take a stand. And in that random PDF, a study's gaze, Unveiling the truth in Google's data maze. Awareness dawns, eyes open wide, As we uncover the layers they've tried to hide. So let us step back, reassess our role, As users, as consumers, with a collective goal. To break free from the clutches that bind, Embrace a future where our privacy we find. For the era of user exploitation wanes, And in its place, a new dawn remains. Where we reclaim our voices, make choices anew, And shape a world where fairness rings true.
alongwaysgone ( @alongwaysgone@beehaw.org ) English5•1 year agoYes. But remember to share!
allonsyeet ( @allonsyeet@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English14•1 year agoUpvote i guess ❤️🍓
katy ✨ ( @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English7•1 year ago🪙🪙
bobs_monkey ( @bobs_monkey@lemm.ee ) English6•1 year agoJust your two cents lol
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English47•1 year agoIt’s been a long time in the making, but I’ve finally degoogled and largely removed all proprietary software from my personal life. I know this topic is pretty well covered here and elsewhere so just to add to the list of others, here’s where I’m at these days:
- OS: Fedora (Silverblue) Linux (w/ AMD Radeon GPU)
- Email: Thunderbird w/ hosted email over IMAP
- Calendar/Contacts: Radicale instance w/ DAVx⁵ on Android
- Storage: Syncthing
- Web: Firefox
- Search: Startpage and DuckDuckGo mostly, but still use Google and Bing on occasion
- IM: Signal
- Desktop productivity: LibreOffice when I need it (Collabora Office on Android)
- Notes: Vim, VS Code (Markor on Android); most of my “docs” are just plain text files written in markdown
- Passwords: KeepassXC/DX
- Code editor: Vim, VS Code
- GrapheneOS on mobile, with almost entirely FOSS apps
- Kindle e-book reader with management via Calibre
- Media managed by Kodi with a raspberry pi
- Proxmox hypervisor for Windows/Linux VMs and containers
Gaming under Linux has improved unbelievably these past few years, now that Steam is contributing with their Steam Deck platform. I used to have to dual-boot Windows to keep up with the latest titles, but I wiped it about a year ago and things have been great.
I still rely on Microsoft Excel and Adobe Photoshop for some tasks, but less so now than ever before. Unfortunately, my work will always be a Windows-only environment.
PR_freak ( @PR_freak@vlemmy.net ) English10•1 year agoHow has a self hosted imap been treating you?
I heard some pretty brutal stories, like big email providers just refusing emails from self hosted servers
dtc ( @dtc@lemmy.pt ) English7•1 year agoI self-host my own mail server. I don’t send many emails, but they seem to be arriving correctly whenever I do at the moment, but it wasn’t always like this. I’ve properly setup SPF, DKIM and DMARC, which helps a lot, but my IP address was blacklisted on some servers from a previous owner I guess. I have a VPS from OVH. I had to manually fill out some forms to get Microsoft Outlook to accept emails from my server. Despite that, it has been working flawlessly. I have my own domain since 2017, and I’d say the age of the domain is also important.
aeternum ( @aeternum@kbin.social ) 6•1 year agoNot OP, but I used to self host email. I gave up because both google and microsoft, the two big players in email, refused to deliver my mail to anywhere but spam/junk. I had DKIM, SPF and DMARC set up, with reverse DNS set up correctly. So I gave up. Now I use a privacy friendly email provider (paid)
POTUS@whitehouse.gov ( @saba@lemmy.sdf.org ) English1•1 year agow/ hosted email over IMAP
I think they meant they pay a provider to host it for them. For example, I have my own domain and email is hosted on mxroute.com. There haven’t been any issues that I’m aware of with people receiving my emails.
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English1•1 year agoI’m actually using a web host email solution for now, but I do plan to try self-hosting within the year. I too have read plenty of horror stories about Google and Microsoft essentially abusing their authority with mail handling. I remain naively hopeful lol.
The reality is that I use email very rarely these days and it’s mostly incoming rather than outgoing.
rmicielski ( @rmicielski@slrpnk.net ) English9•1 year agoI have to just be sure that you at least know about demicrosofted VS Code, VS Codium
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English5•1 year agoHaha I do, and I’ve used VSCodium in the past. I don’t mind using the official release with telemetry disabled (and sandboxed as a flatpak), but may very well switch back if/when Microsoft does anything shady with the project.
kostel_thecreed ( @kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca ) English1•1 year agoHow do you use syncthing for storage? Kinda confused.
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English4•1 year agoHah, that’s a fair question! We use syncthing in place of cloud storage.
We have several 1-way and 2-way shares configured across about 10 devices. Our camera rolls are synced to the home file server while we’re on the road, thus eliminating the need for Google Photos. It also keeps our shared KeePass database in sync between all clients, syncs wallpapers across desktops, etc. It’s excellent software and I really can’t say enough good things about the project.
It’s no replacement for actual backups, which I do perform monthly with copies stored off-site, but it can be a great solution for those wanting to move away from Google Drive, Dropbox, etc.
kostel_thecreed ( @kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca ) English2•1 year agoAhh okay thanks for the explanation. The way you use it seems alot easier and concise than what I thought you used it as, specially the central home server part. Have you experienced any corruptions or loss of data using your method? That’s the main concern I have with programs that sync, like syncthing.
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English2•1 year agoWe’ve been using it across many devices for several years now and haven’t had any data loss or corruption. It handles 2-way conflicts very well, creating duplicate files that allow you to compare and merge when necessary.
This has only happened with our KeePass database, which is shared across all of the devices, and even then it was only when two of us modified the db within just a few minutes of each other (rare).
kostel_thecreed ( @kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca ) English2•1 year agoWow, surprising really, might just have to try it and set it up tomorrow! Thank you, hope it works out for me lol.
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English1•1 year agoNo problem! Just a couple of tips…
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It will create a default share upon installation; you can just delete this and create a new share for whatever/wherever you actually want it to be
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Don’t try to nest your shares (e.g. don’t create a share in a subfolder of another share). I think Syncthing prevents this now, but in the past it would let you do it and it caused issues due to recursion.
Try to think about a logical structure of your shares that will make the most sense for your use case. If you’re only syncing one folder, this won’t be an issue, but if you have lots of clients with various shares, you’ll need to consider how those folders are structured on the devices so that they don’t overlap.
If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a msg or post to one of the selfhosted communities. Good luck!
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nodiet ( @nodiet@feddit.de ) English1•1 year agoSo you are typically using startpage, which gives you google results, and duckduckgo, which (often) gives you bing results, but then you also use google and bing? Why?
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English1•1 year agoIt just depends on the UI that I’m wanting at the time. Google Images sometimes, Bing/Google Maps sometimes, etc.
lpslucasps ( @lpslucasps@lemmy.pt ) English35•1 year agoI used to rely almost exclusively on Google for almost anything online. Fortunately, I’m much less dependent on Google and their services now. I’m even self-hosting some of my own services nowadays!
- Search engine: Ecosia and DuckDuckGo
- E-mail: Protonmail
- File storage: Nextcloud (selfhosted)
- Online Office Suite: Nextcloud Office (selfhosted)
- Maps: OpenStreetMaps
- 2FA App: Aegis
- Translator: DeepL
- Notes and Tasks: Obsidian.md
- Calendar: An actual wall calendar :)
Every single one of these apps/services used to be provided by google, so I think it’s safe to say I’ve come a long way!
Of course, things could be better. I still use Google Contacts for synchronizing my, hum, contacts. I also use YouTube quite a bit, but as a paying customer my experience with it is just fine. I also use gboard on my phone — for bilingual speakers there’s just no good alternative, imho. And, finally, I download/update most of my phone apps through Google Play.
OMG_its_mustard ( @OMG_its_mustard@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English2•1 year agoFor your keyboard, have you tried openboard? You can switch between languages with the space bar.
lpslucasps ( @lpslucasps@lemmy.pt ) English3•1 year agoI did. Unfortunately, it doesn’t have some of the features I use on a daily basis, like a multilingual mode (no need to switch between languages) and swipetyping.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
It’d be nice to have a FOSS phone with a physical keyboard. Then I wouldn’t need swipe typing.
milkytoast ( @milkytoast@kbin.social ) 2•1 year agofor Google play, try aurora store
new_account ( @new_account@sopuli.xyz ) English0•1 year agoHow do you host nextcloud? At home or on a vps?
Did you have any self hosting experience before doing that?
Do you know Logseq? It’s an OpenSource/FOSS alternative to obsidian
lpslucasps ( @lpslucasps@lemmy.pt ) English1•1 year agoHow do you host nextcloud? At home or on a vps?
On a VPS. Later down the road I intend to build my own home server, but that will take some time and money. A VPS is not ideal, but that’s leagues above trusting Google and the likes, and so far it has been working well enough for me.
Did you have any self hosting experience before doing that?
None at all.
Do you know Logseq? It’s an OpenSource/FOSS alternative to obsidian
I did try it, and it’s a cool project, but not as good as Obsidian, imho.
new_account ( @new_account@sopuli.xyz ) English1•1 year agoThanks for the reply. How did you learn about self hosting nextcloud? May I ask what’s the pricetag for a vps for nextcloud? Are you using a preconfigured is from nextcloud?
lpslucasps ( @lpslucasps@lemmy.pt ) English1•1 year agoHow did you learn about self hosting nextcloud?
I used this guide: https://github.com/nextcloud/all-in-one/blob/main/reverse-proxy.md
I also had the help of a webdev friend of mine, that taught me the basics of how to setup and use Docker.
May I ask what’s the pricetag for a vps for nextcloud?
I hired my VPS for around $200 a year (after comverting from Brazilian Reais to American Dollars). It gives me a VPS with 2 vcores, 2GB RAM and 40 GB SSD. There are many VPS providers that can offer you somthing with similar specs and and prices, like Hostinger, AWS and the likes. (Depending on where you live, you may actually find much better prices)
Stanislav N. aka pztrn ( @pztrn@bin.pztrn.online ) English17•1 year ago100% degoogled. Everything is selfhosted, except for Telegram. Even at job :)
Beej Jorgensen ( @beejjorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org ) English17•1 year agoThe biggest thing I de-Googled was gmail. I had my own domain already so it wasn’t tough to move (to my web hosting provider’s included email service).
I switched to Firefox+uBO from Chrome.
They de-Googled RSS for me (now on Newsblur).
Things I still use:
- Drive for backups (but have a local backup in case their AI bans me)
- YouTube Premium (I hate ads)
- Contacts (Cardbook addon for Thunderbird works well with this)
- Calendar (Thunderbird supports natively)
- Keep (Shared shopping list)
- Pixel phone (I don’t really care for Apple, either)
esaru ( @esaru@beehaw.org ) English5•1 year agoYou can replace the rest with
Drive for backups -> Nextcloud
Contacts -> Nextcloud or EteSync
Calender -> Nextcloud or EteSync
Keep -> Nextcloud (share files per link)
Pixel Phone: install GrapheneOS
Youtube: hard to replace in my opinion, but use NewPipe
Klinkertinlegs ( @Klinkertinlegs@beehaw.org ) English2•1 year agoHave you heard of grapheneos for the pixel phones?
themizarkshow ( @themizarkshow@lemm.ee ) English16•1 year agoI moved off a while ago at this point… I still have to use some of it because of work being on G-Suites but otherwise my personal stuff has moved.
- Email: Hey & ProtonMail
- Storage: Dropbox
- Notes: SimpleNotes & Obsidian.md
- Chat: Telegram & Matrix/Element
- 2FA: ProtonPass (as of yesterday, Authy before that)
- Passwords: 1Password
- Other: Apple stuff mostly
evilviper ( @evilviper@beehaw.org ) English6•1 year agoHow is the proton pass 2FA? I saw they have that it haven’t gotten around to switching from Authy yet.
LegendofZelda64 ( @LegendofZelda64@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English3•1 year agoBitwarden is way better all around. Both for 2FA and password managing in general.
cat_slave99 ( @cat_slave99@lemm.ee ) English3•1 year agoAny particular reason for switching away from authy?
i’m not a cybersecurity expert so i can’t say anything about how well they secure your data. however, authy is closed source and a walled garden. you can’t easily export your data. if authy pulls a reddit tomorrow and decides to start charging, you’re screwed.
building your 2fa life in a different service like aegis will save you so much headache in the future, and you can feel good about supporting open source.
tanglisha [she/her] ( @tanglisha@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago1Password offers 2FA now, too. I haven’t decided yet if it’s too eggs-in-one-basket-y, but it sure is convenient.
Adam ( @adam@lemmy.adambowl.es ) English1•1 year agoAre you aware that 1Password does 2FA, or are you intentionally separating passwords and 2FA?
themizarkshow ( @themizarkshow@lemm.ee ) English2•1 year agoI was intentionally keeping them separate in case my 1Pass is somehow hacked at least then they still need another login that’s not in there to get to those codes. But I may just give up on that it’s a headache
new_account ( @new_account@sopuli.xyz ) English0•1 year agoJust a view suggestions:
- Nextcloud instead of Dropbox (foss)
- Bitwarden instead of 1password (Foss)
- Logseq instead of Obsidian (Foss)
- Signal instead of telegram (e2ee)
themizarkshow ( @themizarkshow@lemm.ee ) English1•1 year agoI’d love to use all those but I’m the admin of our family accounts and there’s only so far I can make relatives go in terms of these platforms. It’s been a lot of compromise to get here without complaints lol
cavemeat ( @cavemeat@beehaw.org ) English15•1 year agoI have slowly but surely moved everything important off google. My main email is a proton mail now, and I changed my pixel for a oneplus :).
clearedtoland ( @clearedtoland@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) English4•1 year agoI’ve wanted to do this too for about a year but I see no benefit since most addresses I correspond with are unencrypted. One-way encryption is negligibly any better - unless I’m seriously misunderstanding Proton.
I’d switch to @iCloud.com but that just feels goofy.
cnnrduncan ( @cnnrduncan@beehaw.org ) English10•1 year agoIt’s more about the ethics of the company hosting than any encryption benefits for me personally. Self-hosting would be ideal but email is a bit too important for me to do that personally, so I use proton as a compromise.
this, but also proton-to-proton emails are end-to-end encrypted by default. see here for more info. supporting security-by-default is super important to me.
your email is quite literally an advert. almost every time someone sees my emails end in @tuta.io or @aleeas.com, they ask me about it. when all emails use a google or a microsoft domain it reinforces this oligarchy.
if you’re switching then you have the privilege to start anew with something great, you should look at options like Proton or Tutanota rather than other equally exploitative megacorps like Apple :p
i think it’s also important to be accepting of changing service providers because it’s the right thing to do, not just because it’s an improvement. i think we should be thankful that alternatives are mature enough now that we don’t lose much, or anything, when we switch.
bug ( @bug@lemmy.one ) English3•1 year agoChanging from a Pixel to another Android phone is hardly degoogling, if anything it’s just inviting in another pair of eyes! Ironically the best way to degoogle on Android is with a Pixel running GrapheneOS!
bug ( @bug@lemmy.one ) English14•1 year agoProton’s services, Cryptomator, Invideous, GrapheneOS, a handful of apps from f-droid.
Also, quick plug - !privacyguides@lemmy.one is the official Privacy Guides community on Lemmy!
Rainhall ( @Rainhall@feddit.online ) 13•1 year agoDuckDuckGo got a shoutout from Star Trek: Strange New Worlds this week. Much smoother than Hawaii Five-Oh’s “Bing it.”
TeaEarlGrayHot ( @TeaEarlGrayHot@lemmy.ca ) English13•1 year agoI’ve been running my own Nextcloud instance since 2020, which, combined with ProtonMail, has replaced basically everything I was using Google/Microsoft for
Sinfaen ( @Sinfaen@beehaw.org ) English4•1 year agoDidn’t realize you could host your own, that’s good to know
MrMonkey ( @MrMonkey@lemm.ee ) English2•1 year agoIf you use docker it’s super simple to setup. There’s also a version optimized for the raspberry pi.
MrMonkey ( @MrMonkey@lemm.ee ) English3•1 year agoNextcloud is amazing. File sync, contact, calendar, email, video & text chat, online office suite. Then add on apps!
Pretty much the only thing I miss is the magic Google did with calendar stuff from emails. Everything works very well in it’s own lane, but google beats it with the integrations. It’s those little things.
I get it though. Who is going to write and maintain systems to parse email for each email format? That’s a lot of work. I would love a self-hosted “smart” email to calendar system. Does such a think exist?
ijeff ( @ijeff@lemdro.id ) English2•1 year agoDo you have an off-site backup?
TeaEarlGrayHot ( @TeaEarlGrayHot@lemmy.ca ) English1•1 year agoBackups could definitely be improved–currently I keep a cold backup (USB hard drive) at my girlfriend’s place, updated about once a month. I also keep the entire file storage and database synced to my laptop’s (2 TB) SSD; not a backup, I know, but it does give me some peace of mind if my server (rockpro64) ever goes down. I’d love to add an additional hot backup via rsync, but unfortunately rent keeps getting in the way of a new hard drive :(
plo ( @plo@feddit.nl ) English1•1 year agoNextcloud was a bit too heavy for my lightweight server last time i tried.
Thndrchld ( @Thndrchld@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year agoI have mine running on a raspberry pi 4 in a docker container next to my home assistant instance.
Getting the external storage to work on HASSOS was a bit of a bitch, but now that it’s working it’s rock solid.
thaedrus ( @thaedrus@beehaw.org ) English13•1 year agoI have started to degoogle bits and pieces. I self-host the majority of the services I need and really enjoyed the journey so far since I learned so much. I am approaching the stage in my life where I have less time to spend on personal hobbies so I fear this path may not be sustainable. In my opinions here are the pros and cons.
Pros:
- Full control of my data
- Pick the ideal tool from the open source community
- Learning experience
- Engagement with community
Cons:
- Technical knowledge needed to setup and maintain self-hosted tools
- Self-hosted environments have security risks (best to put everything behind VPN)
- Disparate tools don’t connect together (requires additional automation configuration)
- Additional costs for services including and not limited to: domain name, email, backup storage, self-host server hardware, VPN, and donations to devs
- Higher personal downtime due to lacking features, server and service maintenance
- Time sink to learn, research, general devops of tools, maintenance of server
Key services to name a few:
- File storage - Nextcloud
- File sync - Syncthing
- Office - Nextcloud + Collabora
- Email - Mailfence
- Photos - Photoprism
So far there are more negatives than positives, but the positives still outweigh negatives. I do have to say degoogling is getting easier than before.
kostel_thecreed ( @kostel_thecreed@lemmy.ca ) English1•1 year agoHow’s the email self-hosting going? Everywhere I go it’s considered taboo.
thaedrus ( @thaedrus@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year agoSelf-hosting email hasn’t been smooth. A lesson learned is always send time-sensitive and critical emails using trusted services.
I use paid privacy focused email service now to avoid any problems.
lividhen ( @lividhen@kbin.social ) 12•1 year agoJust switched from Google photos to photoprism. It’s pretty awesome! It only took 8 hours to index and label my 17500~ photos (not including the week and a half Google Takeout took). That was the big one for me. Not I am slowly working through all my other google/centralized services and seeing if there are self hosted or decentralized alternatives.
dtc ( @dtc@lemmy.pt ) 3•1 year agoI’ve been wanting to switch to PhotoPrism for a while. Is face/object detection any good, compared to Google Photos? Do you need powerful specs, or can a low-spec machine handle it?
lividhen ( @lividhen@kbin.social ) 2•1 year agoFace and object detection is pretty good. It gives you a list of people it doesn’t recognize so you can tell it who it is and it learns a face better the more samples it has. Low spec is fine as long as you have 4 free gigs of ram! I have mine running on a 2014 mac mini!
dtc ( @dtc@lemmy.pt ) 1•1 year agoThat’s nice to know, I’ll definitely deploy it soon then! I’m currently using NextCloud Photos, but face detection is so bad it can’t even tell male and female faces apart properly.
Thank you!
Zoop ( @Zoop@beehaw.org ) 3•1 year agoOoh, I’ll have to look into photoprism. Thank you!
Mcbinary ( @McBinary@midwest.social ) 3•1 year agoPixelfed is a federated decentralized image and video host you might look into.
omarciddo ( @omarciddo@beehaw.org ) 2•1 year agoCrying because I’m sitting on 30k+ photos and videos on Google Photos and staring down the monumental task of backing them up piecemeal.
lividhen ( @lividhen@kbin.social ) 1•1 year agoAre you not able to use Google Takeout?
omarciddo ( @omarciddo@beehaw.org ) 1•1 year agoI can…but it becomes clear a couple of days into it that I won’t be able to download it all in the 1-week time frame.
SmallAlmond ( @SmallAlmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 2•1 year agoTake a look at immich, it is the best
tokadorium ( @tokadorium@sopuli.xyz ) English12•1 year agoOnly apps by Google I use are gboard, gmail and translator. If someone knows well designed alternatives please share.
tranceFusion ( @tranceFusion@lemm.ee ) English9•1 year agoFastmail is fantastic from a user experience perspective, though depending on your privacy demands it may not pass the test.
Nick B. ( @nickb333@beehaw.org ) English4•1 year agoLong time Fastmail user here. Where is it failing with respect to privacy?
pvr ( @pvr@beehaw.org ) English3•1 year agoLove Fastmail! I used Protonmail for a while but their development is soooo slow and they never seem to be able to deliver things on time. Promising features that are years late.
whenever8186 ( @whenever8186@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year agoProton is awesome. Yeah they are a bit slow with new features but they’ve been rolling out quite a bit recently. In the last few years we’ve got VPN, calendar, drive and proton pass. They even upgraded my premium account to Proton Unlimited (which gets like >500 GB storage) for free for no apparent reason other than a ‘thank you’.
The big one I was waiting for was Proton Drive, as Google drive was the last Google service I was really using, so the free storage upgrade was just the icing on the cake.
I’d use Proton pass too, but I’m already paying for Bitwarden family account and am pretty happy with that.
tranceFusion ( @tranceFusion@lemm.ee ) English2•1 year agoI’m not sure failing is the right word, it’s just that privacy is not prioritized. They don’t sell your data or sell ads, but they are based in Australia which has very anti-privacy laws regarding govt access to user data that they presumably comply with. They don’t offer built-in message encryption, and they don’t have anonymous signups. I’ve also read a few anecdotes about customer service being able to access your messages or at least certain configuration details about your account that you expect to be private.
All that said, this I’ve been using them for years now. They offer a better user experience than something like Proton without data mining and ads. I’m not sure there’s a best-of-all-worlds option.
Nick B. ( @nickb333@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year agoGood to know about other users experiences. I’ve been with them for 20 years and apart from some downtime in the early years they have been solid. I don’t really have an issue to what their staff can access, it whether there had been any data breaches that I was unaware of. I’ve not looked at Proton but I was curious enough to look at Tutanota based on Germany as they have a presence on the fediverse.
StandardIssueCalzone ( @StandardIssueCalzone@lemmy.one ) English6•1 year agoNobody has mentioned a translator alternative so I would recommend DeepL, though what they collect for data I don’t entirely know so go with caution
MasterCelebrator ( @MasterCelebrator@feddit.de ) English3•1 year agoDeepL is a german Company where privacy laws are pretty strict, though i dont know what kind of data they collect. At least you dont need an Account to use it.
MasterCelebrator ( @MasterCelebrator@feddit.de ) English5•1 year agoFor Mail i reccommend proton. They also offer cloud, calendar, VPN and recently a password Manager. You can also use their simplelogin Service which Provides alias Mails. These can be used so that you dont have to give your real mail Adress to online Services and so on.
hedge ( @hedge@beehaw.org ) English5•1 year agoDeepL is supposed to be on par or even better than Google Translate.
thayer ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) English4•1 year agoFlorisBoard keyboard is the one to watch as the Gboard killer. v0.40 will finally bring word suggestions and inline autocorrect. In all other respects, it’s more customizable than Gboard and can be configured to match the exact size/layout.
For email, K-9 Mail (soon to be Thunderbird Mobile) has made a lot of progress in modernizing its UI this year now that Mozilla has partnered up with the main dev, cketti.
hedge ( @hedge@beehaw.org ) English4•1 year agoIf swipe typing is your thing, take a look at anysoft keyboard (but be prepared to do a lot of menu diving!)
lemmyvore ( @lemmyvore@feddit.nl ) English4•1 year agoYou can use a privacy-respecting mail service and use any mail app you want with it. K9 Mail app is pretty well regarded, and there’s no shortage of decent mail services, some suggestions:
anopen ( @anopen@mindshare.space ) English1•1 year agoThere’s also FairEmail for an app: https://email.faircode.eu/ !
anopen ( @anopen@mindshare.space ) English2•1 year agoI like OpenBoard! There’s also AnySoft, Floris, and Hackers. You can install OpenBoard via F-Droid (or Neo Store), Play Store (or Aurora Store), or directly from Github (via Obtainium) here: https://github.com/openboard-team/openboard . I think the others are available from the same/similar sources.
blackstrat ( @blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk ) English2•1 year agoProtonmail for email. Open board for keyboard.
new_account ( @new_account@sopuli.xyz ) English1•1 year agoFor email there’s posteo, mailbox.org, tutanota or proton.
As mail client I’d recommend k-9 on androidoand Thunderbird on Linux/Windows
Meldrik ( @meldrik@lemmy.wtf ) English10•1 year agoI degoogled by switching to an iPhone 😅 DuckDuckGo is my default search engine.
Mcbinary ( @McBinary@midwest.social ) English15•1 year agoThat is a sacrifice I’m not willing to make. Yikes!
Meldrik ( @meldrik@lemmy.wtf ) English6•1 year agoI’d argue that Apple is the lesser evil when it comes to privacy 😁
beeboopbeep ( @beeboopbeep@beehaw.org ) English2•1 year agoI agree here. I pay a premium for no bloatware and the one company using my data is the company I bought the device from. I’m sure this mindset will change over time. My hopes are we see iPhone stay privacy centric vs vanilla android.
Money always prevails though.
new_account ( @new_account@sopuli.xyz ) English2•1 year agoMaybe lesser evil compared to google but still bad. Better option is degoogled android
Meldrik ( @meldrik@lemmy.wtf ) English1•1 year agoDefinitely! That’s why I said “the lesser evil”.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
Apple is the greater evil in a lot of other ways, though.
Want to publish software for iOS? You must agree to about 150 pages of extremely restrictive terms and conditions, one of which is that Apple reserves the right to remove your app at any time for any or no reason, and it frequently exercises that right.
Want to sideload an open-source app? Denied.
Want to block ads on the web? Not happening.
Want to use a browser other than Safari? Negative.
Want to take nude selfies without some Apple employee looking at them? No can do.
Want to see the operating system’s source code? Trade secret. Take a hike.
Apple is not your friend. Apple is all kinds of toxic.
pandaontoast ( @pandaontoast@beehaw.org ) English9•1 year agoThe only thing I still hold onto my account for is YouTube. I pay for mailbox.org which covers email, calendar and cloud stuff. Their website could be better but the service is quality and their privacy policy is tight. When I was on android I used a bunch of custom roms with microg. My favourite ended up being calyxos but they all had a little jank here or there. I dearly miss NewPipe for android as a replacement for the official youtube app.
Edit: I also pay for Kagi for search. The price is a bit steep but I have found it justifiable in terms of the value I get from it. Whoogle and Searx are good options too
Carol2852 ( @Carol2852@discuss.tchncs.de ) English4•1 year agoI download YouTube videos to my Plex server via yt-dlp for viewing at home. For online viewing I use piped, and on my phone LibreTube. No need to stick to Google for YouTube.
pandaontoast ( @pandaontoast@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year agoWonderful suggestions, ty!