We’re reaching the end of an era wherein billions of dollars of investor money was shovelled into tech startups to build large user-bases, and now those companies (now monoliths) are beginning to constrict their user-bases and squeeze for every single penny they can possibly extract. Fair or not.

Now more than ever, it’s important for us to step back and reconsider whether we want to be billboards for these companies anymore.

For anyone unfamiliar, some good resources to have when starting your degoogling journey are below:

Privacy Guides - A list of privacy-respecting services you can use.

Plexus - A crowdsourced information bank of service compatibility with degoogled devices.

This random PDF - A study from 2018 detailing data that Google tracks about its’ users.

      • I can write poetry, so I asked a new friend:

        In the realm of tech's changing tide,
        Where billions flowed like an endless ride,
        Investor money, a torrent's stream,
        Built startups bright with a lofty dream.
        
        But now, the era draws to a close,
        As monoliths emerge, the story goes.
        They tighten their grip, a vice-like hold,
        Squeezing pennies from users, bold and cold.
        
        Fair or not, the question arises,
        Do we still want to wear their disguises?
        Are we mere billboards, a canvas for their name,
        Or can we reclaim our autonomy, break free from the game?
        
        In this pivotal moment, we must pause,
        Reconsider, question, and find our cause.
        To degoogling, a path unfolds,
        Where privacy and freedom firmly hold.
        
        Privacy Guides, a beacon of light,
        Leading us to services that respect our right.
        No longer pawns in their data-collecting scheme,
        We seek alternatives that make our souls gleam.
        
        Plexus, a treasure trove of shared knowledge,
        Mapping compatibility beyond the edge.
        A community united, hand in hand,
        Building a future where we take a stand.
        
        And in that random PDF, a study's gaze,
        Unveiling the truth in Google's data maze.
        Awareness dawns, eyes open wide,
        As we uncover the layers they've tried to hide.
        
        So let us step back, reassess our role,
        As users, as consumers, with a collective goal.
        To break free from the clutches that bind,
        Embrace a future where our privacy we find.
        
        For the era of user exploitation wanes,
        And in its place, a new dawn remains.
        Where we reclaim our voices, make choices anew,
        And shape a world where fairness rings true.
        
  •  thayer   ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) 
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    It’s been a long time in the making, but I’ve finally degoogled and largely removed all proprietary software from my personal life. I know this topic is pretty well covered here and elsewhere so just to add to the list of others, here’s where I’m at these days:

    • OS: Fedora (Silverblue) Linux (w/ AMD Radeon GPU)
    • Email: Thunderbird w/ hosted email over IMAP
    • Calendar/Contacts: Radicale instance w/ DAVx⁵ on Android
    • Storage: Syncthing
    • Web: Firefox
    • Search: Startpage and DuckDuckGo mostly, but still use Google and Bing on occasion
    • IM: Signal
    • Desktop productivity: LibreOffice when I need it (Collabora Office on Android)
    • Notes: Vim, VS Code (Markor on Android); most of my “docs” are just plain text files written in markdown
    • Passwords: KeepassXC/DX
    • Code editor: Vim, VS Code
    • GrapheneOS on mobile, with almost entirely FOSS apps
    • Kindle e-book reader with management via Calibre
    • Media managed by Kodi with a raspberry pi
    • Proxmox hypervisor for Windows/Linux VMs and containers

    Gaming under Linux has improved unbelievably these past few years, now that Steam is contributing with their Steam Deck platform. I used to have to dual-boot Windows to keep up with the latest titles, but I wiped it about a year ago and things have been great.

    I still rely on Microsoft Excel and Adobe Photoshop for some tasks, but less so now than ever before. Unfortunately, my work will always be a Windows-only environment.

      •  dtc   ( @dtc@lemmy.pt ) 
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        71 year ago

        I self-host my own mail server. I don’t send many emails, but they seem to be arriving correctly whenever I do at the moment, but it wasn’t always like this. I’ve properly setup SPF, DKIM and DMARC, which helps a lot, but my IP address was blacklisted on some servers from a previous owner I guess. I have a VPS from OVH. I had to manually fill out some forms to get Microsoft Outlook to accept emails from my server. Despite that, it has been working flawlessly. I have my own domain since 2017, and I’d say the age of the domain is also important.

      • Not OP, but I used to self host email. I gave up because both google and microsoft, the two big players in email, refused to deliver my mail to anywhere but spam/junk. I had DKIM, SPF and DMARC set up, with reverse DNS set up correctly. So I gave up. Now I use a privacy friendly email provider (paid)

      •  thayer   ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) 
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        11 year ago

        I’m actually using a web host email solution for now, but I do plan to try self-hosting within the year. I too have read plenty of horror stories about Google and Microsoft essentially abusing their authority with mail handling. I remain naively hopeful lol.

        The reality is that I use email very rarely these days and it’s mostly incoming rather than outgoing.

      •  thayer   ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) 
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        51 year ago

        Haha I do, and I’ve used VSCodium in the past. I don’t mind using the official release with telemetry disabled (and sandboxed as a flatpak), but may very well switch back if/when Microsoft does anything shady with the project.

      •  thayer   ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) 
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        41 year ago

        Hah, that’s a fair question! We use syncthing in place of cloud storage.

        We have several 1-way and 2-way shares configured across about 10 devices. Our camera rolls are synced to the home file server while we’re on the road, thus eliminating the need for Google Photos. It also keeps our shared KeePass database in sync between all clients, syncs wallpapers across desktops, etc. It’s excellent software and I really can’t say enough good things about the project.

        It’s no replacement for actual backups, which I do perform monthly with copies stored off-site, but it can be a great solution for those wanting to move away from Google Drive, Dropbox, etc.

        • Ahh okay thanks for the explanation. The way you use it seems alot easier and concise than what I thought you used it as, specially the central home server part. Have you experienced any corruptions or loss of data using your method? That’s the main concern I have with programs that sync, like syncthing.

          •  thayer   ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) 
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            21 year ago

            We’ve been using it across many devices for several years now and haven’t had any data loss or corruption. It handles 2-way conflicts very well, creating duplicate files that allow you to compare and merge when necessary.

            This has only happened with our KeePass database, which is shared across all of the devices, and even then it was only when two of us modified the db within just a few minutes of each other (rare).

              •  thayer   ( @thayer@lemmy.ca ) 
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                11 year ago

                No problem! Just a couple of tips…

                1. It will create a default share upon installation; you can just delete this and create a new share for whatever/wherever you actually want it to be

                2. Don’t try to nest your shares (e.g. don’t create a share in a subfolder of another share). I think Syncthing prevents this now, but in the past it would let you do it and it caused issues due to recursion.

                  Try to think about a logical structure of your shares that will make the most sense for your use case. If you’re only syncing one folder, this won’t be an issue, but if you have lots of clients with various shares, you’ll need to consider how those folders are structured on the devices so that they don’t overlap.

                If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a msg or post to one of the selfhosted communities. Good luck!

    •  nodiet   ( @nodiet@feddit.de ) 
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      11 year ago

      So you are typically using startpage, which gives you google results, and duckduckgo, which (often) gives you bing results, but then you also use google and bing? Why?

  • I used to rely almost exclusively on Google for almost anything online. Fortunately, I’m much less dependent on Google and their services now. I’m even self-hosting some of my own services nowadays!

    • Search engine: Ecosia and DuckDuckGo
    • E-mail: Protonmail
    • File storage: Nextcloud (selfhosted)
    • Online Office Suite: Nextcloud Office (selfhosted)
    • Maps: OpenStreetMaps
    • 2FA App: Aegis
    • Translator: DeepL
    • Notes and Tasks: Obsidian.md
    • Calendar: An actual wall calendar :)

    Every single one of these apps/services used to be provided by google, so I think it’s safe to say I’ve come a long way!

    Of course, things could be better. I still use Google Contacts for synchronizing my, hum, contacts. I also use YouTube quite a bit, but as a paying customer my experience with it is just fine. I also use gboard on my phone — for bilingual speakers there’s just no good alternative, imho. And, finally, I download/update most of my phone apps through Google Play.

  • The biggest thing I de-Googled was gmail. I had my own domain already so it wasn’t tough to move (to my web hosting provider’s included email service).

    I switched to Firefox+uBO from Chrome.

    They de-Googled RSS for me (now on Newsblur).

    Things I still use:

    • Drive for backups (but have a local backup in case their AI bans me)
    • YouTube Premium (I hate ads)
    • Contacts (Cardbook addon for Thunderbird works well with this)
    • Calendar (Thunderbird supports natively)
    • Keep (Shared shopping list)
    • Pixel phone (I don’t really care for Apple, either)
  • I moved off a while ago at this point… I still have to use some of it because of work being on G-Suites but otherwise my personal stuff has moved.

    • Email: Hey & ProtonMail
    • Storage: Dropbox
    • Notes: SimpleNotes & Obsidian.md
    • Chat: Telegram & Matrix/Element
    • 2FA: ProtonPass (as of yesterday, Authy before that)
    • Passwords: 1Password
    • Other: Apple stuff mostly
    • I’ve wanted to do this too for about a year but I see no benefit since most addresses I correspond with are unencrypted. One-way encryption is negligibly any better - unless I’m seriously misunderstanding Proton.

      I’d switch to @iCloud.com but that just feels goofy.

      • It’s more about the ethics of the company hosting than any encryption benefits for me personally. Self-hosting would be ideal but email is a bit too important for me to do that personally, so I use proton as a compromise.

        • this, but also proton-to-proton emails are end-to-end encrypted by default. see here for more info. supporting security-by-default is super important to me.

          your email is quite literally an advert. almost every time someone sees my emails end in @tuta.io or @aleeas.com, they ask me about it. when all emails use a google or a microsoft domain it reinforces this oligarchy.

      • if you’re switching then you have the privilege to start anew with something great, you should look at options like Proton or Tutanota rather than other equally exploitative megacorps like Apple :p

        i think it’s also important to be accepting of changing service providers because it’s the right thing to do, not just because it’s an improvement. i think we should be thankful that alternatives are mature enough now that we don’t lose much, or anything, when we switch.

    •  bug   ( @bug@lemmy.one ) 
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      31 year ago

      Changing from a Pixel to another Android phone is hardly degoogling, if anything it’s just inviting in another pair of eyes! Ironically the best way to degoogle on Android is with a Pixel running GrapheneOS!

    • Nextcloud is amazing. File sync, contact, calendar, email, video & text chat, online office suite. Then add on apps!

      Pretty much the only thing I miss is the magic Google did with calendar stuff from emails. Everything works very well in it’s own lane, but google beats it with the integrations. It’s those little things.

      I get it though. Who is going to write and maintain systems to parse email for each email format? That’s a lot of work. I would love a self-hosted “smart” email to calendar system. Does such a think exist?

      • Backups could definitely be improved–currently I keep a cold backup (USB hard drive) at my girlfriend’s place, updated about once a month. I also keep the entire file storage and database synced to my laptop’s (2 TB) SSD; not a backup, I know, but it does give me some peace of mind if my server (rockpro64) ever goes down. I’d love to add an additional hot backup via rsync, but unfortunately rent keeps getting in the way of a new hard drive :(

      • I have mine running on a raspberry pi 4 in a docker container next to my home assistant instance.

        Getting the external storage to work on HASSOS was a bit of a bitch, but now that it’s working it’s rock solid.

  •  thaedrus   ( @thaedrus@beehaw.org ) 
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    I have started to degoogle bits and pieces. I self-host the majority of the services I need and really enjoyed the journey so far since I learned so much. I am approaching the stage in my life where I have less time to spend on personal hobbies so I fear this path may not be sustainable. In my opinions here are the pros and cons.

    Pros:

    • Full control of my data
    • Pick the ideal tool from the open source community
    • Learning experience
    • Engagement with community

    Cons:

    • Technical knowledge needed to setup and maintain self-hosted tools
    • Self-hosted environments have security risks (best to put everything behind VPN)
    • Disparate tools don’t connect together (requires additional automation configuration)
    • Additional costs for services including and not limited to: domain name, email, backup storage, self-host server hardware, VPN, and donations to devs
    • Higher personal downtime due to lacking features, server and service maintenance
    • Time sink to learn, research, general devops of tools, maintenance of server

    Key services to name a few:

    • File storage - Nextcloud
    • File sync - Syncthing
    • Office - Nextcloud + Collabora
    • Email - Mailfence
    • Photos - Photoprism

    So far there are more negatives than positives, but the positives still outweigh negatives. I do have to say degoogling is getting easier than before.

  • Just switched from Google photos to photoprism. It’s pretty awesome! It only took 8 hours to index and label my 17500~ photos (not including the week and a half Google Takeout took). That was the big one for me. Not I am slowly working through all my other google/centralized services and seeing if there are self hosted or decentralized alternatives.

        • I agree here. I pay a premium for no bloatware and the one company using my data is the company I bought the device from. I’m sure this mindset will change over time. My hopes are we see iPhone stay privacy centric vs vanilla android.

          Money always prevails though.

        • Apple is the greater evil in a lot of other ways, though.

          Want to publish software for iOS? You must agree to about 150 pages of extremely restrictive terms and conditions, one of which is that Apple reserves the right to remove your app at any time for any or no reason, and it frequently exercises that right.

          Want to sideload an open-source app? Denied.

          Want to block ads on the web? Not happening.

          Want to use a browser other than Safari? Negative.

          Want to take nude selfies without some Apple employee looking at them? No can do.

          Want to see the operating system’s source code? Trade secret. Take a hike.

          Apple is not your friend. Apple is all kinds of toxic.

  • The only thing I still hold onto my account for is YouTube. I pay for mailbox.org which covers email, calendar and cloud stuff. Their website could be better but the service is quality and their privacy policy is tight. When I was on android I used a bunch of custom roms with microg. My favourite ended up being calyxos but they all had a little jank here or there. I dearly miss NewPipe for android as a replacement for the official youtube app.

    Edit: I also pay for Kagi for search. The price is a bit steep but I have found it justifiable in terms of the value I get from it. Whoogle and Searx are good options too