• They’re about 17 years too late. There’s nothing left of Facebook to be addicted to. It’s a terrible little site that forces content on you that you have no interest in, no way to block categories, and is all basically stuff stolen from other sites that is already 3 weeks old. Facebook is a fucking garbage fire of its former self.

  • I’m the last person who would leap to Meta’s defense, but I gotta ask: how, exactly, does one draw the line between a service being addictive and one that’s just well designed and pleasant to use?

    I wouldn’t want this lawsuit to discourage quality web design.

    • Well designed service and addictive are completely different concept.

      Addiction is not about how likely you are to use something and if you like doing so. That’s naïve.

      • Okay, I have no problem admitting I’m naïve on the subject. If I guessed wrong, though, what is addiction about? It’s hard for me to imagine getting addicted to something you aren’t likely to use and don’t like.

        Sure, I can see people changing their mind about something once they’re already addicted, but that’s not the same thing.

        • You can decide to use something because you like it and have a positive value for you, and then end up abusing that same things because of addiction.

          Facebook and other social media actively engineer their service to exploit our natural brain functioning in order to became addictive. On top of that, they also give well designed services which can be useful and fun to use. People decide to use those services because of that and ends up becoming addicted and using them for a lot more time. This has nothing to do with good design.

          It’s like with smoking: people can find it a legitimate pleasure because of the taste, the social meanings and the gesture, but you ends up being addicted because of the nicotine, not because it’s a pleasure per-se.

        • This is an oversimplification, but do you think drugs don’t feel fucking fantastic? Like, how would they hook you if there wasn’t something about them on the first dose? Facebook does it by dopamine hits and confirmation bias, but the pathways are not far off.

    • quality web design sure, but Meta/Facebook is also well known for using dark patterns to promote stickiness and engagement. They’ve built Facebook to be addictive and keep people on it.

    • The more I’ve delved into free and open source, the more I’ve seen what isnt normal: stuff that isnt designed out of the box to be eye-candy. Seeing the complete opposite side of the spectrum, its clearer that Facebook isnt just eye candy, good animations, timely pop-ups, and perfectly targeted ads. It’s everything and more. The addictive tactics have created an emergent highly addictive quality. And dont even get me started on Instagram.

    • I can’t give you a clear answer, maybe bots? Something is “missing” here on Lemmy, as somedays I spent as much as 8 hours on Reddit, whereas I spent 30 min at most per day here on Lemmy. It feels like Lemmy is mostly informative for me and not so much entertainment. But good riddance, I have so much more time to read books now!

  • A lawsuit filed by 33 states in federal court in California, claims that Meta routinely collects data on children under 13 without their parents’ consent, in violation of federal law. In addition, nine attorneys general are filing lawsuits in their respective states, bringing the total number of states taking action to 41 and Washington, D.C.

    “Meta has harnessed powerful and unprecedented technologies to entice, engage, and ultimately ensnare youth and teens. Its motive is profit, and in seeking to maximize its financial gains, Meta has repeatedly misled the public about the substantial dangers of its social media platforms,” the complaint says. “It has concealed the ways in which these platforms exploit and manipulate its most vulnerable consumers: teenagers and children.”

    The suits seek financial damages and restitution and an end to Meta’s practices that are in violation of the law.

    one conspicuous state absent to this lawsuit: Texas, which has otherwise gladly railed against “big tech” for dumb reasons that mostly seem to boil down to “you moderate too much and it’s affecting people’s ability to say heinous things on your platform”

  • I like (no) how everyone knows this is about everybody’s mental health but you can only push things these days if iT iS aBoUt cHilDrEn or other touchy topic. Apparently adults can’t have mental health issues I guess, otherwise how will they do their jobs for cents

    • You’re absolutely not wrong, but I think they’re making the case that it’s like tobacco or gambling which society kinda agrees is stupid but allows adults to have the freedom to indulge in. Honestly I think it’s a good comparison.

      • It is a good comparison, but it goes to show how the framing of individual freedom supremacy warps any discussion about the collective. As soon as you hit “freedom age” magic number, suddenly you can’t hold accountable the powers at play anymore.

        • To an extent, but it’s also not like tobacco or gambling are wholly uncountable in the way that Meta largely is. I would be much happier with companies like Meta if their products at least came with a warning about potential for addiction/depression etc. When they pretend they are places to “connect” and have “friends” it feels kinda like if a casino was allowed to present itself as an “investment opportunity”.

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    Its motive is profit, and in seeking to maximize its financial gains, Meta has repeatedly misled the public about the substantial dangers of its social media platforms,” the complaint says.

    “Kids and teenagers are suffering from record levels of poor mental health and social media companies like Meta are to blame,” said New York Attorney General Letitia James in a statement.

    The broad-ranging federal suit is the result of an investigation led by a bipartisan coalition of attorneys general from California, Florida, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Nebraska, New Jersey, Tennessee, and Vermont.

    It follows damning newspaper reports, first by The Wall Street Journal in the fall of 2021, based on the Meta’s own research that found that the company knew about the harms Instagram can cause teenagers — especially teen girls — when it comes to mental health and body image issues.

    Following the first reports, a consortium of news organizations, including The Associated Press, published their own findings based on leaked documents from whistleblower Frances Haugen, who has testified before Congress and a British parliamentary committee about what she found.

    Surgeon General Dr. Vivek Murthy called on tech companies, parents and caregivers to take “immediate action to protect kids now” from the harms of social media.


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