wow just wow while i can’t say i didn’t see this one coming but it always amazes me where greed could lead someone
Google is an ad company. To them, a web browser is nothing more than a tool for collecting user data and delivering ads.
When you use a chromium based browser you are allowing google, an ad company, to decide what the future of web browsing should look like. And this is the result.
Firefox is the ONLY browser which is genuinely competing with google. Do you think ad and tracking blockers are going to get better or worse once they die out, and literally every major browser is running on chromium?
Use firefox and u-block origin. Enjoy a superior, ad free, browsing experience, and support the future of an open web.
It’s so encouraging to hear so many pro Firefox opinions lately. Then I remember I’m logged into the pirate instance of a federated platform and anti-corporate sentiment is probably as high as it gets.
Sadly most younger people haven’t even heard of Firefox.
It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Firefox on android is really slow. I tried using it, but now I use Vivaldi
Pros : really fast Cons : chromium based
Well, we are in the worst cyberpunk timeline so…
It’s my preferred mobile browser because you can install ublock origin and other privacy extensions which is pretty unique
Young people seem to proudly go along with the biggest name, which is really sad. They think there’s merit in that, conforming means acceptance.
Meanwhile, anytime I encounter a young non-conformist doing something very contrarian, it gives me some hope for the future. Because 99% of society is open-armedly embracing dystopia because the one thing they hate more than anything is the burden of independent thought and self-determinism. To intelligent freethinking individuals, seeing it play out is a waking nightmare.
Sadly, at the end of the day I prefer edge because it
has cloud voicesis slightly faster
No way I’ll use YouTube with ads. The amount of your lifetime they waste is what I’d consider disrespectful to their users. Even if the ads were bearable, I wouldn’t turn off my ad blocker on any Google site for tracking alone.
I also don’t see myself subscribing to YouTube Premium, firstly because it’s too expensive (stop including your music streaming service and make it cheaper maybe?), but also because YouTube is just a platform with a lot of not curated content that YouTube had no part in creating.
Let’s see how the cat and mouse games between YouTube and ad blockers and alternative frontends go. If it’s too much of a hassle, I’ll just stop using YouTube. I don’t miss Twitter, I don’t miss Reddit, and I won’t miss YouTube.
Probably get shit for this, but…
I just pay for Premium.
YT has literally become my cable. I listen to music, watch movies, documentaries, stand up comedy, news, sports… and cat videos, obviously.
To me it’s just worth it to pay a bit of money each month and have the whole thing just available to me.
I feel like if you were to put a money value on all the complaining, stomping of feet and trying to side-step the ads I’ve seen over the last several years, you’d probably find it’s actually less to just pay and enjoy it.
Just my opinion, of course…
you do you if you use it that much and you think it’s worth your money then good for you ( i honestly mean it ) we don’t like youtube ads, YES that is true but it is not the only reason :
- some of us hate youtube ( and google by extent ) for tracking
- some of us hate youtube because it’s algorithms tricking us into forcing certain agendas and ideals upon us
- some of us hate youtube because the hypocrisy around how they treat content creator differently yet claiming they are all under the same “rules”
the list goes on but what i want to say is that we don’t hate people who pay for youtube we hate those who defend the platform like it’s a white knight and nothing shady happening in it
Google sucks and YouTube is evil.
If they were not such an explicitly and overtly shitty company, I’d pay for premium no qualms.
As it is, I wouldn’t give them a dollar if the CEO would personally suck me off.If the CEO would suck me off, that would be worth a dollar to me, honestly.
But if they are so evil, surely you just would not use YouTube at all?
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I agree if they charged around half price of Netflix I would be more interested.
And the part with supporting the creators. I don’t trust Google to give more than pennies to them regardless if I pay or not, I use other ways to support the ones I follow.
As for the last part, if Linus from LTT is to be believed (I usually trust his opinions), on the WAN show they were discussing this just last night and he said that the majority of YouTube premium revenue goes to the creators. Or, rather he said that YouTube doesn’t pocket the majority so there could be some tricky nuances in there somewhere but he seemed to indicate that the creators get more than YouTube does in that deal.
I’ve heard this before too. TikTok is particularly bad, but twitch was worse than YouTube. Not sure about any of these newer ones.
Okay that’s good to hear!
Well, just use a vpn and subscribe in another country. You can even make a family account and add your current account and maybe some friends to your „family“. Turkey seems pretty cheap, like 1,50€ / month. That’s the route I will follow when YT is showing me this message on my account.
It’s the principle of the matter to me. Google became the multibillion dollar corporation it is by selling my data, your data, everyones data. To then come around and demand I pay to continue using their service the way I have for over a decade? But also still continue selling our data? Nah, fuck that. When they cut me in a percentage on the data selling business, maybe then I’d consider premium.
I also have been paying for Premium the last couple years and I completely agree. I get more value out of my premium subscription than I do Netflix or Max. Plus premium supports the creators more than ads do.
I had your same mindset for years but the cost of premium went up this year and when looking at the new price vs other streaming services, it didn’t make sense for my family any more. If their AdBlock thing starts screwing with my account, I just might be done with all Google products.
It’s especially worth it if you can get a sub from a developing country
How much is it supposed to cost? Here on Chile it is around 5 bucks
Cool. Thanks for subsidizing my free, ad-free experience you chump.
just get revanced
What’s your favorite cat video?
Really not worth watching a 10 minute video that has four minutes of YouTube ads and a minute of a sponsor pitch by the creator.
I haven’t had this happen using ublock origin, but if they do figure out how to block ublock origin, adnausiem (ublock origin fork) might work. It’s a fork of ublock origin that tricks the ad providers into thinking you clicked on every ad, which not only bypasses a lot of adblock detectors, it Actively costs them money by polluting their ad data with garbage.
FreeTube/Piped on PC
ReVanced on droid
uYou+ on 🍎 phone
SmartTubeNext on 📺
Youtube can do the fuck they want on their website
add mpv+youtube-dl to thr mix and you get a full healthy dinner
yt-dlp is the successor. On droid there are several beautiful front ends for yt-dlp so you don’t need a terminal emulator
please share them with us
https://github.com/JunkFood02/Seal
This is the one I’ve been using
Can’t they block the likes of Freetube, Newpipe, Revanced?
These clients use the same set of APIs as the YouTube official client. Unlike the Twitter and Reddit clients which used APIs for 3rd-party.
Newpipe doesn’t use youtube official API. It does webpage parsing afaik
Newpipe doesn’t use youtube official API. It does webpage parsing afaik
there’s also Newpipe x Sponsorblock on android.
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No you can. You need to choose from AltStore, TrollStore and Sideloadly depending on what works for you, then sideload the uYou+ IPA (or the IPA of any app)
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Preach brother, these apps are the only way I use youtube.
Honestly I think I’ll go full hoarder with YouTube archivist and find a way to stream/synchronize on my devices. I mostly use YouTube to go to sleep so there is no way I go back to videos being interrupted by loud ass ads.
i don’t want to be a buzz kill but if this train continue its course i am afraid that they gonna do something about youtube-dl
they wouldn’t be able to do anything. youtube-dl doesn’t use an API or anything like that, it just streams the video like a browser would and rips the stream. if they somehow actually managed to selectively block youtube-dl, all youtube-dl would have to do is send a different user agent. the only defense against stream ripping in general is to not stream anything at all, which Youtube obviously cannot do
i agree that stopping stream ripping is indeed impossible ,what i am afraid (and think) that they gonna put small hurdles in the way until they become a big shore to overcome and this is a worst case scenario but may be they gonna implement DRM like netflix does in the future
And then there will be another fork that does something about their something. Just like what happened to Vanced, for example.
There would always be some ways to save the video as long as it’s played on your machine
This is terrifying.
What’s happened with invidious suggests it’s already starting in that regard.
Protip: On Peertube (at least for now), you can sync channels really easily so you can get a full archive of a good channel.
Better do it fast
This is what I’m doing since the elsagate scandal, and a recent one where there was an ad of an obese dude jacking off (I’m in the middle east, this happened about 6 months ago).
I just automate the downloads of new youtube videos and let use jellyfin to watch it.
I don’t use youtube much, but I had to selfhost because the youtube kids app is fucking nasty. I have my pihole block youtube domains for my kid’s device (firewall does captive dns/redirection of all dns requests to pihole).
My child likes dr binocs and brave wilderness.
I have premium and my TA instance has been shadow-banned. Unless you are logged in in my premium account you can’t access YouTube at all, from any device in my network with or WITHOUT adblocker.
Reached out to my counsel for review. In the corporate side I’ve likely pulled hundreds of millions of business from them to AWS/Azure as a spiteful enterprise architect.
The more ad-riddled they make the platform to try and monetise users, the more they make adblocks necessary to even be usable.
I didn’t use to both with adblockers. I didn’t like ads, but they didn’t affect me enough for me to go through any effort blocking them.
Now I use blockers everywhere, on every platform. Even for creators I like, because I know how little they actually make for ads - so how bout instead of watching 12 hours of ads so they can get 2c, I just send them a dollar or buy their merch every once in a while to not watch ads at all? Etc.
Ads could have had a place. There are ads that serve a purpose, that have minimal disruption but still give businesses a way to develop awareness for those who might want to use them.
Movie trailers (including when they stopped trailing movies and started leading them) are examples of ‘acceptable ads’ to me. When I purchase something from a store and they include a printed card from their sponsor. When sports teams have logos for being sponsored. A work van with the business logo parked while out on call. Etc.
But the internet’s online ads? Email spam? Telemarketing? These are forms of advertising that are actively hostile, and they’ve become the default. So now a user that wants to be on the internet at all is best served by block all ads, including the ones that would’ve otherwise been reasonable.
Google will never make me feel guilty for blocking ads when they’re already making their search engine unusable, too.
And while I’m at it, here’s the filters to add to your uBlock Origin’s MY FILTERS settings to block YT’s blocker:
youtube.com##+js(set, yt.config_.openPopupConfig.supportedPopups.adBlockMessageViewModel, false)
youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.adBlocksFound, 0)
youtube.com##+js(set, ytplayer.config.args.raw_player_response.adPlacements, [])
youtube.com##+js(set, Object.prototype.hasAllowedInstreamAd, true)
Blockers to block blockers. insert Xzibit meme
Thanks BTW.
I’ll add this the next time I’m on my computer.
Same
Neat!
Will actually prevent the strikes from occurring? For now at least…
I’m not paying for YouTube. It’s algorithm sucks, it routinely sells your personal data, and virtually none of the money you spend goes to its creators–that YouTube pretends otherwise is repulsive. How did we get in the situation where we’re being asked to pay more and more for worse and worse services? I’m not gonna be a part of it.
I’d be fine with ads and even paying if the creators weren’t treated like trash and the number of ads weren’t ridiculously obtrusive.
Unfortunately that’s always the end result as never ending greed will always lead companies there
It’s hard to imagine that situation wouldn’t always lead us here. The advertiser-centric internet has got to go.
Yea, their algorithm has gotten really bad for me. The new to you tag is a little better but it’s still not great.
For the record, I believe Linus mentioned that around half of the money for premium gets sent to the creators.
Rabbits
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I just don’t get how these providers (Specifically Reddit with the API lockdown and now the stranglehold on mods, Twitter’s new login requirement, and YouTube now cracking down on adblockers) are missing the point that their sites live and die by user generated content.
I understand these sites are hugely expensive to run, but if you keep alienating those who are bringing users to your site in the first place, people will stop submitting and people will stop visiting.
Twitter and Reddit sure but youtube is not a user generated content site. youtube has big creators and they are the main reason people go to the site.
To everyone who is saying they use adblock and haven’t seen this yet: YouTube probably rolled this out to a smaller percentage of users first. It allows them to understand how this change impacts user behaviour, e.g. how many users comply and disable their adblocker, how many more users close YouTube than usual etc. Most tech companies do this type of analysis before releasing a high impact change to all users.
I do close youtbe much quicker than I used to. I can watch one video and rhan I’m done. The next video starts with a full minte of ads and I’m out. I know there’s stuff like ReVanced, but I keep wondering wether it’s all worth it.
You’ll hear this over and over again but that’s because it’s true: Revanced is absolutely worth it. Not difficult to set up and the experience is life changing once you see YouTube without ads
I have a premium subscription, but it logs you out. And then I see ads until I log in again and reload the page. I pay these people. I should never ever see an ad. And it’s enough that I’ve noticed the ads are more obnoxious than they used to be. I’m about done with it.
Odysee is a great, decentralised alternative if you are looking to jump ship.
If you do end up sticking with youtube, ReVanced is good. Smart Tube Next is good for TVs, and firefox + ublock origin on desktop.
For iOS users Vinegar is a nice add-on for Safari that strips out all the ads etc.
ReVanced took 20 minutes to setup, and most of that was me downloading the wrong APK version to patch initially.
It was harder for me to find out how to set it as the default app than it was to patch the ads out of it.
Whats up with all these online companies just deciding to be assholes this year.
Like another poster said, investors are pushing for profits. The Sillicon Valley model of throwing money at it until they figure it out is suffering with the downturn in the markets. So with the VC and investor money drying up, sites are pushing to make money to keep the lights on.
I would’t say keeping the lights on, more then trying to beat covid lvl profits.
Interest rates went up and now they need to make payments on their previously free debt.
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Why is it all in July too???
Peertube, Nebula, Patreon, etc. You don’t have to use YouTube.
Plus, Newpipe and the likes have been doing pretty well at getting around YouTube ads so far, it’s just the main YouTube website that has been more problematic.
Haven’t seen that one on ublock origin + Firefox
Same, I’ve seen posts saying it only affects people who use chrome
Soon: “Sorry, only chrome is allowed. Please download chrome to access youtube”
It’s more like google’s style to release a brand new non-standard, insanely difficult to implement “standard” for “the web” which is “vital” for youtube to work. So then your browser is “not supported”.
what’s the fediverse alternative to YouTube? seems like this is the way the 2020’s are going
Oddysee is built on LBRY, which I believe is the closest thing. I think there’s something else called PeerTube, but I’m not sure what it is exactly (haven’t looked into it).
I might be too pedantic, but Odysee/LBRY is a blockchain-based decentralized network. But its not federated and it doesn’t use activitypub like Lemmy and mastodon. I would only call Peertube to be part of the fediverse.
Not too pedantic at all; those are indeed two distinct ways of creating similar applications. In my opinion, federated alternatives are more appealing than those based on blockchain technologies. Federated networks are proving to provide a more palatable experience through hybrid decentralized centralization.
I’m pretty sure peertube is just a selfhosted version of YouTube that caches YT videos locally. Not an actual separate platform to upload videos to. I could be mistaken.
Partially correct. You can self host peertube instances. What differentiates it from YouTube is:
- Instances can share their video lists with other instances via ActivityPub. Even to Mastodon and Lemmy.
- PeerTube video player is peer to peer. You can download the video from the server directly or from another peer watching the same video. This may be helpful for livestreams.
Definitely did not realize this, that is really cool! Thanks for sharing.
Also its a separate okatform. Could be used to cache YT videos but that’s not its primary purpose.
Its a separate platform. It could be used to cache YT videos but that’s not its primary purpose.
I’ve been tracking the Fediverse loosely since stumbling into StatusNet and OStatus in 2011. To see the fediverse alive and well after being away for so long makes me very happy, though I don’t share the same political opinions as many of the people here.
That said, I’d argue there needs to be a way to spin up PeerTube and educate the masses on how to do that instead of starting a YouTube channel.
Peer tube is the fediverse version of YouTube.
I don’t know much about it to be honest, but I’ve tried to use it a little just to see how it works and latency can be hit or miss.
I mean imagine 100 people trying to stream the same video from your home network. You might not have the bandwidth to handle it.
