I will no longer be able to assist with development nor debugging actual issues with the software… Quite juvenile behavior from the devs. It stemmed from this issue where the devs continuously argued in public by opening and closing an issue. Anyway, thought I would keep y’all apprised of the situation, since these are the people maintaining the software you are currently using.
I think that you should update your post with information that this ban is only for 7 days.
This:
I will no longer be able to assist with development
suggests that ban is infinite, which is not true.
Yeah but if you were in this position would really want to contribute again? It’s virtually an indefinite ban when the reason is this absurd.
Yes, If I would contribute to lemmy, I wouldn’t do it for the devs, but for the software and its users.
EDIT: But don’t think that I support nutomic’s reaction to OP’s comments.
Where do you see that information? I didn’t even know it was possible to do this until last night so not sure how I’m supposed to know how long it lasts.
Sorry, I assumed that github shows it to you somehow. I know about it from nutomic’s comment
thank you, yes I their comment later on. No, github didn’t even tell me I was banned. I happened to notice because I left the tab open and was moving through them trying to find something else.
Someone just linked me this, seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding. Pm me either through here or on matrix and we can try to get it resolved.
“misunderstanding”
You kept posting offtopic comments which added nothing to resolving the issue. So I gave you a seven day ban, hopefully it will teach you a lesson.
My first comment directly discusses the issue at hand. It wasn’t off topic. It’s clear you didn’t want any feedback on the issue because it makes you look bad. I explicitly talked about how client side scheduling is a bad idea that does not accomplish the goal of scheduling. And then I gave feedback directly concerning the exact issue I was commenting on of how your conduct was unfitting of lead devs of a major software project, where you squabbled in public in a really weird way, and you refused to even think about discussing the topic (closing the issue over and over again when your coworker had opened it and asked for discussion? Really dude?). Then you finally banned me without any warning or discussion of why.
And no, it’s not going to teach me any lesson, all it did was teach the entire community you have no clue how to run an open source software project. No warning, no explanation, just juvenile marking of comments as off topic (they weren’t), closing of the issue your main dev opened and then boom banned.
This isnt the first time Nutomic has reacted in such a egotistical way, especially when someone points out a flaw in the software. I’ve seen a few issues that were actual issues with the software–not feature requests–that he’s closed and dismissed. One of the issues were mine. He definitely needs help with maintaining the software but I dont know how he expects anyone to help with the way he’s been acting.
My comment about scheduling in clients was from January and that option was already discarded by dessalines on the next day. No use in rehashing the same thing ten months later. All you are doing is creating pointless notifications for everyone. I know its not ideal to close and reopen an issue, but really why is it a big deal? We closed hundreds of issues recently which were outdated, invalid or already fixed. I accidentally closed one that still needs to be implemented and dessalines reopened it, so everything is fine. Certainly not a “squabble”, and your comments added nothing at all.
Its true that I shouldnt have given a warning first, but most likely you would have responded with another offtopic complaint so I didnt see any use in that. If you want to complain then do it somewhere else, not on the issue tracker which is meant for getting work done.
Instead of engaging like an adult (and admitting that you were incorrect), you decided to behave like a child.
You marked all his comments in the federation bug issue off-topic, but none of them seem off topic and give you details which you quote and respond and even ask follow up questions for. How is it anything other than being petty to mark those comments off-topic?
Youre right, my mistake. Ive manually unhidden all his comments, except those in #234.
Thank you
The comments read like you banned the dev for making a telling point in favor of reopening the ticket.
The lesson I take away is that your ego is more important to you than improving Lemmy.
The issue was already open. I gave a temporary ban for posting pointless complaints which added nothing to resolving the issue.
Really? Is it necessary to ban people about making a valid argument. I know and also don’t like people asking a low effort “What’s the status of this” (and would totally get why such a thing would be marked off-topic, but a ban over something like this is still to harsh IMHO, they will learn, that such questions are not well-received over just the marking it as off-topic).
But the comment discussed here has a valid concern (quickly closing issues that don’t have satisfactory solution yet, without getting feedback).
A better reaction would be to just ask, whether the issue at hand is still relevant, having [these] alternatives at hand etc.
You want to teach a lesson? The only lesson you’re teaching here is that you’re a twat. You get some hardheaded opinion on someone’s suggestion, refuse to listen to anything else, and ban them for explaining themselves. Grow up.
Yeah this guy is acting as if he’s a programming god who created something nobody could. This instance is called programming.dev, filled with programmers who know a little something about this programming thing. I’m a 15yoe self taught data engineer, and if I understand one thing, it is that anybody can learn programming and become great at it. I’m always proud of my code, but I never think my code is perfect. Programming and technology as a whole is constantly evolving, and what was clever/genius/wizardry yesterday is obsolete tomorrow. The only asset to a programmer is to be able to always learn new stuff, because there is always new stuff and better ways to do what you did in the past. I don’t even give detailed directions to my interns because I want to see if they do things in a different way that is better than the way I usually do things.
FR this behavior is why people left Reddit.
None of these really seem that off topic lol. Especially not the one marked off topic in the pictured post.
You demonstrated that you are unaccountable. It’s a lesson for anyone considering investing in this project, indeed.
- ByteWizard ( @ByteWizard@lemm.ee ) English21•8 months ago
hopefully it will teach you a lesson.
Egos are terribly ugly. Please put yours away.
Context:
Quite the ego you have there, I bet you’re fun at parties.
Projects fail when developers alienate their contributors. Grow up and act like an adult.
hopefully it will teach you a lesson.
LOL, come on.
Aggression and dishonesty aren’t going to help. You’d be better off dropping the defensive arguing and realizing that you overreacted. It’s okay to have screwed something up and admit it. You’d be getting a much better reaction if your response was along the lines of ‘Whoops, yep. Guess I’m a bit of a hot-head sometimes, I’ll try to look out for that.’
But when someone literally can’t ever admit that they could possibly be wrong, that they could possibly have overreacted in any way, how is anyone supposed to work with that?
Everyone is wrong sometimes. Being intractable about it doesn’t get you anywhere.
I’m assuming you’re referring to comments they made in other Issues, not the one linked and not the one in the screenshot?
Cunt
Informative, and unfortunate.
100% agree with your take on the original issue - it should be a discussion between the devs, not edging along the lines of an argument. However, I do feel like the discussion would have been better suited to the dev Matrix chat or something
Even if they were upsetted by your comments, banning you was not the right way to handle that IMO.
Just do it like other projects - tag it as enhancement, postpone it forever, be done with it. And in case it’s a useful enhancement, you can see the votes accumulating on the issue and maybe really reconsider implementing it?
Informative, and unfortunate.
Do you watch Louis Rossmann? I’ve heard him say that phrase many times in his videos.
Yepp I do, that’s where I got it from lol
Everyone is human, everyone makes mistakes. Sometimes people are also in a very bad mood and act weirdly because of that. Let’s not make a big drama out of it.
Lemmy needs a fork, if only to kick the devs into gear with regards to actually working with/listening to the community. At this point a significant number of users have been lost because the devs have been largely unable to capitalize on previous waves on growth due to slow development. It’s one thing if it’s just a couple of devs working on the project and trying their best, it’s an entirely different thing when a couple of devs are shutting out large numbers of contributors (frequently subject matter experts which they desperately need at this point) over relatively trivial issues. This isn’t the first time this has happened and it won’t be the last. Mbin is reviving Kbin as a project and we need something similar for Lemmy.
Just an all round juvenile behaviour from the devs. Would expect a project like this to be more properly managed.
Dude, who in their right mind would add scheduling infra to a client like that? 😆 I’m going to need these Lemmy devs to have a tad bit more experience before they start being so dismissive, especially to someone who’s just trying to help.
Hi there more experienced person, would you mind explaining the intricacies of the madness for a lowly n00b?
Is it just 'cause it’d need the client to be constantly running to output the scheduling? So like, you set it to schedule a post and then you have to actually open it as an app before it would actually work if it wasn’t running in the background when the time ticked over? Is there more to it? Any and all details you’d be willing to explain would be appreciated.
Regardless, I hope you have a lovely day and best of luck with everything you’re doing!
A “client” in this context can mean anything, including another separate service.
This makes no sense to have in a desktop/mobile app, but it certainly should not go to the server as well.
Idk I think y’all are a bit too dramatic lol. Imho you’re reading too much into a small aggression. This has nothing to do with the future of Lemmy or anything as grandiose as that
This has nothing to do with the future of Lemmy or anything as grandiose as that
I didn’t say it did. I mentioned that it would affect me, the person who runs the server you’re commenting on. That’s it.
I was referring to other commenters, mb should’ve been clearer about it
It is certainly becoming a pattern. Similar upsets around both moderation and database optimization.
Hey bud when was the last time you went outside for a walk in nature and talked to someone in IRL? Because you seem to have created the most useless drama for yourself.
In in real life lol?
Lemme just type my PIN number into this ATM machine…
Smh my head
Did I stutter?
nothing to do with the future of Lemmy
Let’s not go that far. That said, it’s certainly not everything to do with it either. Let’s call it an indicator and keep an eye on it.
Are you actually /banned/ front participating on GitHub? That seems really petty.
Apparantly it’s for a week
This is ridiculously petty from the devs, and does make me seriously wonder about Lemmy’s future.
Idk if they care about a particular thing FOOS devs are often petty. I don’t think it’s actually a threat to the project. Like read unix mailing lists from Linus or whoever else, it can get downright toxic. e.g.:
"BULLSHIT. Have you looked at the patches you are talking about? You should have - several of them bear your name. […] As it is, the patches are COMPLETE AND UTTER GARBAGE. […] WHAT THE F*CK IS GOING ON? " here
Hmm, where have I seen that before? Oh yeah, on PCSX2.
Your time and talent is better spent elsewhere. Don’t even think about this any longer.
You wanted to help and they acted in this way. You made yourself clear, so it’s on them to reevaluate.
Your time isn’t free, so don’t spend it on stupid people. I know you’re passionate and want to help, but sometimes it unfortunately comes down to this.
- dingleberry ( @dingleberry@discuss.tchncs.de ) 16•8 months ago
Sorry, which account is yours?
They are the account whose comment is collapsed as off-topic
Epic.
Gotta love their Lemmy profiles too. Clearly not mentally ill.
No need to stigamitize mental illnesses just because you disagree with someone or think they have a bad take
I am mentally ill. It’s not hard to not spot it.
Perhaps the “maybe that will teach you a lesson” part of their comment indicates to a well preserved personality?
doesn’t matter that you are mentally il, that doesn’t change anything, you don’t have to stoop so low and go for an adhominem
Just pointing out the obvious, mr fancy words.
I’ll just say (on the issue) I agree that everything possible to implement on a daemon running parallel to the instance should be implemented as such. That way the instance stays small and focused, and the dev team doesn’t get flooded with requests.