Hey do anybody know where you get a tv that supports 4k and does not have that locked up smarttv shit?
If there are none, does anybody know a tv that boots fast(less than 30 seconds) and displays an hdmi input by default without the need to choose the input from a menu.
Thanks in advance.
And sorry if I am in the wrong place.
Does it bother anyone else to pay for all that “smartness” and then figure out how NOT to use it?
How can consumers fight back against this bullshit?
It bothers me a LOT!
Especially when I don’t even use the smart shit, basically use it as a glorified monitor and the thing pops up a message “Our terms and conditions have changed”. I cannot use my fucking TV till I accept the new terms and if I refuse, the TV just turns off.
It’s such bullshit! I own the TV, how can you change the terms and conditions after the fact? Can I change the terms and conditions? I know I paid $1000 for this TV, but I changed my mind, can you please give me back 250$. I altered the deal, pray I don’t alter it any further.
Same with my goddamned piece of shit phone. Here is a new software version, it will remove 3 features you love and use every day, drains your battery twice as fast and makes the whole thing slow. You can maybe hack shit till it doesn’t update automatically and only occasionally bugs you about it. But then you don’t get any security updates or compatibility fixes, so that’s not really a good option either. So you buy a new device every 2 years, even though it was perfectly fine.
I know the EU is working on it, but I can’t wait for the day manufacturers are forced to provide at least 5-7 years of security/compatibility updates for devices, without also bundling feature updates. And be legally bound to the terms and conditions at the moment of sale, no changing the deal after it’s done.
We altered the deal, pray we don’t alter it further.
It bothers me it’s so hard to find one that doesn’t include it, but it doesn’t feel like it’s bloating the price to me, if that’s what you mean. Besides the insistence on the smart shit, TV’s have constantly been getting better, bigger, and yet still cheaper.
It’s unfortunate, but if anything the smart features are part of why they’re staying so cheap. The TV costs the same to make no matter what, but when every company under the sun is paying a fee to have their app baked into the tv, you don’t have to charge the end-user as much to make the same profit. Not to mention the treasure trove of data you can collect(and sell) from the ones who connect it to the internet.
This happens everywhere now.
We had the garage doors replaced, and replaced the openers since they were also a couple decades old and a small part of the total cost. Every damned opener that wasnt bare-bones had smart features. Camera, motion detection, wifi… of course, none of it to any sort of standard, and requiring a special app and account with the vendor. Smart devices are fine - I want smart, to some standard like zwave - but I’ll be god damned if I’m going to make an account with Genie so they can track and sell my garage door use.
Same thing with the dishwasher. The house being as old as it is, all the devices are hitting planned obsolecense at the same time. All the new dishwashers that have any decent features are smart. Again, with some shitty bespoke app, and requiring an account. This time, I got the damned thing and just haven’t installed the app or configured the wifi on it. Maybe it’s talking to one of the neighbor’s unsecured wifi networks; I guess I can live with that.
We got lucky on the refrigerator (this time, something inside broke and leaked water into the underfloor for a week before we caught it). We got a model that had everything we wanted and didn’t have wifi.
I read an article a few months ago about a conference where all these companies are bitching that people are buying these things and not connecting them; with any luck, they’ve been losing money on them and will stop adding smart features to everything. But I’m not holding my breath.
I already have >500 accounts spread across various shops, game dev accounts (because every publisher needs its own launcher), services, etc.
Too much data floating around the world because just another joe needed to seel some more data >_>
It’s mostly because it’s all heavily integrated. The chipset that drives the smart platform also drives everything else, including the inputs and stuff.
Lots of the “features” are profit motivated. Lots of companies love to be paid for bundling software on the device.
Supposedly, the Spectre 55 inch is 4k and dumb as a rock: https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U550CV-UMR-55-4K-UHD-TV-product959category1category73.html
How about projectors? They’re stupid as shit.
So is their 65 inch https://www.sceptre.com/TV/4K-UHD-TV/U650CV-UMRD-65-4K-UHD-TV-product1171category1category73.html
Still happy with it after a year. Recommend getting a soundbar though
If it’s not been mentioned, you want Commercial Displays, or Large Format Displays. Much more expensive generally for less features, but many are explicitly non-smart.
https://www.cdw.com/content/cdw/en/products/computer-monitors-displays/large-format.html
Look into commercial displays.
This is the answer every time this question comes up. You pay more because it doesn’t generate revenue by spying on you, but it doesn’t have all the bullshit cause it’s meant to be on during all biz hours showing store promos and the like.
I’m rocking a 4k ViewSonic display. Nothing smart about it.
If you connect your device to a compatible hdmi port and turn on the device first, it should turn on your tv to that input straight away. Boot times should be nearly instant unless you do a full restart of the smart tv.
I researched this recently - here’s what I found:
Vizio P65-F1
TCL 65R617
Sony x900e
Hisense H65M7000
Sony KDL-65W855C and Samsung UE65H6400
Sceptre U650CV-U
Sceptre, Supersonic, SunbriteTv, outdoor TV’s, and Caixun have non-smart Tv’s
https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-buy-a-dumb-tv-and-why-youd-want-to
Almost every smart TV I have played with you can set them up to just go to an HDMI input and turn off any “home” menus screens. You also can usually skip any Network setup.
I have played with LG, Vizio, Samsung and Sony TVs all have had options to do this. (But this has been over the last 1-7 years).
My vizio also starts on the last input. So it only goes to the smart TV stuff when I want it too. It’s older (E50x or something like that) but it’s been getting updates so I’m assuming it’s the same on newer ones still.
Isn’t that basically just a monitor?
The latest tvs the boot pretty fast, when you turn them on for the first time just don’t agree to the policies and it’ll be a dumb tv.
The other option is a computer monitor.
My Sony TV allows for a default input on boot. Wish it allowed a default App on boot…
I have found some. The key is to look for either outdoor televisions or ones designed for commercial use, such as those used for restaurant menus at the counter.
Outdoor televisions usually aren’t very good besides being bright and weather resistant.
Don’t judge my living room design! I need those features!
What you want is a “public display”.
You can easily turn it into a “pubic display” once it’s set up.
LG C1 is “smart”, but satisfies your other criteria. It has been replaced with newer models, but I imagine the user experience must be similar.
I haven’t even seen it’s smart functions the whole time I’ve had it. I press a button on the Apple TV remote and a few seconds later the TV is displaying the Apple TV menu (connected via HDMI through a receiver). No menus to navigate and no ads that I’ve ever seen, though the first thing I did when I got it was disable all the “suggestions”.
Mostly this. You pay the lack of features in either image quality or price, so it’s probably not worth it. I have Samsung and LG OLEDs, and they mostly do the thing just fine, particularly if you have a single HDMI plugged in. I’ll say I wouldn’t use those OLEDs as monitors, if that’s the idea, because there are other issues with doing that, but for a console or a single input device they’re perfectly fine.
I never connected my LG tv to wifi, works like a regular tv should
I just got a Hisense that’s google tv but in setup I had the option to configure it as just cable and inputs.
I got the U7 series. I don’t know if this feature is consistent across all google tvs or all Hisense tvs or what, but I’ve given you somewhere to start at least.
Ya I haven’t tried it but during initial setup I thought that was an interesting option. I also have a U7 series.
I’ve got a 55" from Westinghouse that’s probably a decade old by now. It technically has some half-baked smart functions, but they’re more like fixed apps than anything where you can install/update/change. It never gets connected though, just used as a monitor for whatever is attached. Cheap off-bramd type boxes are not bad if you’re just looking for an output. Lots of times they don’t have the time and resources to put into making some big infrastructure and app catalog, so they just focus on making the screen and inputs work.
